Poll: Will You Be Rooting For Chad Henne To Succeed Or Fail?
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Exactly.
The problem with this poll is it indirectly is tying in the fact that if you want Henne gone then you are rooting for the Phins to fail. Because if you want Henne gone then you don't want him to succeed etc..
It's like a black and white line. You either accept him or you don't. There is no grey area with this type of poll. i.e. If you are rooting for Henne to succeed then you can't want him gone and conversely if you want him gone and think he is garbage then you can't root for the team to be successful.
That's why it is a false sense of proving Hypocriscy masked in a clever way
Not comparing the players, but Drew Brees didn't become a quality player until his 4th season. Just saying.
And before people state that it's different circumstances, how? Hell had Phillip Rivers not held out for so long, he wouldn't even of had the chance to prove he had improved. He was benched the previous year for Doug Flutie.
Again NOT saying Henne will turn it around, but it can happen. It's do or die for him. I personally am rooting for him to do it. If he doesn't, we draft a QB next year.
But I see what Vaark is trying to do with the poll, and I understand it and it's something I've pointed out. There are people out there (not all people that don't like Henne, but quite a few out there) that obviously don't want Henne to succeed. Hell, there are those saying the best part about Henne and Moore is that we are promised a chance at Luck, and they are happy because of that.
That is overboard.
And before people state that it's different circumstances, how? Hell had Phillip Rivers not held out for so long, he wouldn't even of had the chance to prove he had improved. He was benched the previous year for Doug Flutie.
Again NOT saying Henne will turn it around, but it can happen. It's do or die for him. I personally am rooting for him to do it. If he doesn't, we draft a QB next year.
But I see what Vaark is trying to do with the poll, and I understand it and it's something I've pointed out. There are people out there (not all people that don't like Henne, but quite a few out there) that obviously don't want Henne to succeed. Hell, there are those saying the best part about Henne and Moore is that we are promised a chance at Luck, and they are happy because of that.
That is overboard.
Correct, it is a good point. But this poll didn't justify that point. That's the issue. It forced people into one category or the other. It tied wanting Henne to be successful or not with wanting the team to be successful
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95% of people say the will root for Henne to succeed... really???
Maybe we need another poll: What does "rooting" mean?
a) to dedicate every last breath to saying how the player I'm rooting for sucks... I call it constructive criticism.
b) to dedicate every last breath to saying how the player I'm rooting for sucks... I call it being realistic
c) to dedicate every last breath to saying how the player I'm rooting for sucks... I call it pushing him to succeed
d) to show support for a player in the face of adversity by staying positive
Either people don't know what rooting means or they're a bunch of hypocrites.
Maybe we need another poll: What does "rooting" mean?
a) to dedicate every last breath to saying how the player I'm rooting for sucks... I call it constructive criticism.
b) to dedicate every last breath to saying how the player I'm rooting for sucks... I call it being realistic
c) to dedicate every last breath to saying how the player I'm rooting for sucks... I call it pushing him to succeed
d) to show support for a player in the face of adversity by staying positive
Either people don't know what rooting means or they're a bunch of hypocrites.
So you're saying that when it comes to the assertion that 'not rooting for Henne when under center equates to not rooting for the fins' is as invalid as labeling anyone who is rooting for Henne to succeed in general and certainly under center as "non-realist fanboys/girls" ?? I personally think the when it comes to "fandom" the former resonates a lot louder than the latter...but on either side, you know what they say about opinions :idk:
I just find it more than a tad disingenuous how the deflectors get their bowels in an uproar when their fandom is questioned but never take issue when assumptively negative polls lambast Henne or when those who keep the faith are ostracized as polyannas. Where's the manufactured outrage then?
I wanted the support on the record.. but do ya think maybe an anonymous poll might have better reflected reality?
No it doesn't. once again, all the succeed options instead of 1 tied it to the teams success. Actually 2 of them were masked by stating you are a fan of the team. That has nothing to do with Henne himself.
There was no option for I don't like or support Henne but I want the team to succeed.
No matter how you answer it either shows you want the team to succeed thus meaning you support Henne or you just want Henne to fail meaning the team fails.
The poll should have not tied the team in with Hennes success or failure
I would guarantee you if there was an option for getting rid of Henne or his failure but the team is still successful, you would have way more votes for that.
No reality would have been reflected better if you didn't tie the team in with him being successful or not. That is how you would get the realistic answer and replies.
I like and understand your point but the way the poll was set up will not show reality in anyway. Even an anonymous poll would still tie this more to the success of the Phins then for the success of Henne
I think it's pretty clear. I went with option 2 because it best fit what I think, and what I think a lot of people think. I think Henne sucks, but I hope he proves me wrong because that is in the best interest of the team. I'm not a fan of individual players, for the most part. I'm a Dolphins fan. I hope the individual players succeed because it will make my team succeed. I think you are grasping at straws here and arguing over simple semantics. I'm not sure what point you are trying to get at.
There is no option for getting rid of Henne because it isn't going to happen. We're stuck with him, unfortunately. It's a poll based on the current reality, not hypothetical roster moves.
I hear ya but you seem well-reasoned in general so you must realize that some of the venom directed at Henne to the point of wishing him harm is over the top, not justified for someone who's trying his best (whether it's good enough or not) and needs to either be called out or be labeled a hypocrite for going visibly PC but walking a different walk. Again, the opinion that if you don't root for Henne WHEN he's under center means you're rooting against the fins is no less defensible than being labeled an unrealistic polyanna because you're not ready to throw in his towel. Can't have it both ways.
The Phins aren't successful if Henne isn't successful. That's why he's such a hot topic. It's the most important position in football, by a longshot.
Every poll is anonymous on the interwebs, unless somebody uses their real name as their username, which means you're exposed blue man!