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some rumors that the browns front office is big on manziel and chud did not want to go that route...don't know how valid it is though...just food for thought
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some rumors that the browns front office is big on manziel and chud did not want to go that route...don't know how valid it is though...just food for thought
You mean as head coach?
tl77
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I'd be interested in looking into Dowell Loggains, former Titans OC as well. I am trying to get an idea of the scheme he runs (so if anyone knows I'm all ears) He was a quality control coach, QB coach for about 3 yrs, then OC for last season and a half. He has really turned Locker into a better QB than I thought he was. One knock on him from Titans was he fell too much in love with passing game.
I know that was one of Sherman's faults, but I went ahead and looked up passing/rush attempts for us and Ten. The Titans passed 533 times & ran 462 times, where we passed 594 times and ran 349 times. They had much more balance than we did. Also he must have been highly regarded by Munchack if he was willing to get fired instead of firing him.
So if anyone has anymore info on him regarding type of offense he runs I'd be interested in hearing about it.
I know that was one of Sherman's faults, but I went ahead and looked up passing/rush attempts for us and Ten. The Titans passed 533 times & ran 462 times, where we passed 594 times and ran 349 times. They had much more balance than we did. Also he must have been highly regarded by Munchack if he was willing to get fired instead of firing him.
So if anyone has anymore info on him regarding type of offense he runs I'd be interested in hearing about it.
No thanks to any position coaches with no experience calling plays.
A fast riser, that's for sure. Started coaching in 2008 and was an offensive coordinator by 2012. Usually that's a good thing. I'd rather that than someone who slowly plodded their way up the ladder. The bad part is he's spent all of his time with one team. At least with Shula -- who became a head coach when he was 33, the same age Loggains is now -- is that he had played under Paul Brown, and coached under Brown, Blanton Collier and Weeb Ewbank. I have to be suspicious of a guy like Loggains who's spent his entire career coaching under Jeff Fisher and Mike Muchak. That's not a lot of variety.
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There's two sides to that coin. If a guy's called plays before, it probably means he's been fired. That is, unless you're getting him from college. And if a guy's been fired before, why has he been fired?
tl77
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Thanks for the info. One thing I read that I did like, is that from the 2012 season to the 2013 season he completely overhauled/rewrote his playbook to fit what the titans had personnel wise. I like that in a coach a la what McCoy was able to do with his offense in Denver with Tebow for example. One thing I want our new OC to be able to do is evaluate our personnel and how to best utilize them, not just force them to fit into a system they traditionally run with no regard for the personnel.
Even if a guy has been fired, he can still be an upgrade over what we currently have.
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Almost every every coach has been fired before.
One person is Mike Sullivan. If he leaves Giants without the job, watch out. He's coming here and might not leave. I actually like the move of Dennison because he's been around a while. I can't stand Shanahan. What about Mike? Take some time off, work on the tan, work on a real qb for a while? I can't see that happening either though. Mike Shananah has too much pride to take a "demotion" like that. But if he loves the game...
Not arguing that. The point was that sometimes these guys who have never called plays before end up being pretty good at calling plays, and if a guy has proven to be a good play caller it's not like you can just hire him... unless you want to make him a head coach.
True, but they haven't always been fired from the exact position you want to hire them for. Josh McDaniels has never been fired as an offensive coordinator, for example (he was "allowed to leave" St. Louis if he wanted after Steve Spagnuolo was fired, which he did). Only as a head coach. Some of these guys are victims of the Peter Principle as head coaches but are perfectly good coordinators. Norv Turner and Wade Phillips being two examples (though both have been fired as coordinators, usually when a staff is fired as a whole).
"You look at Ryan Tannehill's interceptions and you only got two or three like that. Just on 'arm hit as he throws,' 'receiver slipped' and 'end of game hail mary' that's like nine or ten of 'em."
Tannehill dodged a ton of bullets this year, if I recall, when it came to avoiding interceptions. I know all QBs do too (DBs are DBs for a reason instead of being WRs).
I want an OC willing to maximize Tannehill's mobility. Which OC's are more inclined to have zone-read runs and such?
Tannehill dodged a ton of bullets this year, if I recall, when it came to avoiding interceptions. I know all QBs do too (DBs are DBs for a reason instead of being WRs).
I want an OC willing to maximize Tannehill's mobility. Which OC's are more inclined to have zone-read runs and such?
That's interesting, because I agree. Adapting the scheme to the players has to be the #1 rule of coaching. That's part of the attraction of any young coach. They're more likely to not be quite so set in their ways.
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All QBs dodge bullets. I don't have the numbers in front of me on who had more or less dropped interceptions than someone else. Nick Foles had a bunch of interceptions that either got dropped or called back on penalties that I saw with my own eyes, and I'm not holding that against him. He had a mind-boggling season.
To borrow one from Bum Philips, there's two kinds of coaches: those who have been fired, and those who are going to be fired.