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Mogwai said:
Wait.. the Heat who were in the Finals? Is that failure? They lost to a team with multiple HoFers on it. I believe in the importance of all the things you listed but let's not underestimate the crucial element of actually having talent on your team.
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Three straight losing seasons is not even considered a failure here so what concept would making a championship game have here
 
Mogwai said:
Whitner and Rogers for a start. I dunno maybe others. Their D took a huge jump. You'd have to give the FA additions some credit. It's pretty harsh to call them low level.

I think it's strange this thread is drawing comparisons to the 49ers roster. They weren't the bad news bears. They had talent and playmakers.
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Your are right, calling Rogers and Whitner low level was harsh on my part. My point is though that these were not big time free agent signings that shows like ESPN and NFL Network would talk about for days. They weren't Peyton Manning or Mario Williams. They were not top tier additions. For example, Scout.com had Rogers as the 11th best cornerback on the free agent market and Whitner as the 11th best safety. Those are not league ratings, those are what they felt they ranked of the free agent class last August. They were not viewed then as big time additions, and that is the point I am trying to make. They exceeded expectations. For giggles, Richard Marshall is rated as the 6th best free agent cornerback this year.

I am not saying Miami is going to the Championship game or going to win 13 games. I am not even sold that they are a playoff team this year. However, can they be a team that wins 9 games and is in contention for a playoff spot? Probably. Doesn't mean they will reach that level, but I don't think it is crazy to think they couldn't. The reasons I think Miami can have a good season is because a new coaching staff usually brings a fresh spark(look at 2008), the schedule is very soft compared to last year, and besides Brandon Marshall this is pretty much the same team(pre-draft) that was fielded in 2011. They finished the season on a 6-3 run, dominated the lesser teams and lost to the top to elite teams like the Patriots, Giants and Cowboys by a combined 7 points in the second half of the year. It is not unrealistic to think this team can build on the growth they had at the end of last season and be better this season. That is why I think it is ridiculous to think this team will be a one or two win team and get the 2013 1st overall pick. Nothing really happened(except for Marshall) that would take this team that far back. I think this team can reach 8-9 wins, compete for the playoffs and continue to grow in the coming years. That is my hope and expectation.

I would rather feel like that than root for the team to lose.
 
Nawledge said:
I just honestly believe philbin is the kind of coach who will get the best out of the players he's got. He will play to their strengths and will try to get thim in the right positions to succeed. I never felt this way with sparano. I always felt like he was in over his head but I gave the guy the benfit of the doubt cuz he inherited a 1-15 team.
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i would agree with that...although i hope he has some influence on shermans play calling and play book cause sherman has never really wowed me with scheme...but i would agree philbin will play to guys strengths...but at the qb position in this o we need timing and accuracy and consistency on underneath routes etc the kind of stuff that moore imo struggles with...and losing b marsh while it needed to happen we need to find a legit replacement to take heat off the rest of this wr core...it will be interesting to see what kind of intuition philbin brings with him...

by the way fellas the 9ers turnaround was a direct reflection of jim harbaugh being in the building...
 
Nublar7 said:
Your are right, calling Rogers and Whitner low level was harsh on my part. My point is though that these were not big time free agent signings that shows like ESPN and NFL Network would talk about for days. They weren't Peyton Manning or Mario Williams. They were not top tier additions. For example, Scout.com had Rogers as the 11th best cornerback on the free agent market and Whitner as the 11th best safety. Those are not league ratings, those are what they felt they ranked of the free agent class last August. They were not viewed then as big time additions, and that is the point I am trying to make. They exceeded expectations. For giggles, Richard Marshall is rated as the 6th best free agent cornerback this year.

I am not saying Miami is going to the Championship game or going to win 13 games. I am not even sold that they are a playoff team this year. However, can they be a team that wins 9 games and is in contention for a playoff spot? Probably. Doesn't mean they will reach that level, but I don't think it is crazy to think they couldn't. The reasons I think Miami can have a good season is because a new coaching staff usually brings a fresh spark(look at 2008), the schedule is very soft compared to last year, and besides Brandon Marshall this is pretty much the same team(pre-draft) that was fielded in 2011. They finished the season on a 6-3 run, dominated the lesser teams and lost to the top to elite teams like the Patriots, Giants and Cowboys by a combined 7 points in the second half of the year. It is not unrealistic to think this team can build on the growth they had at the end of last season and be better this season. That is why I think it is ridiculous to think this team will be a one or two win team and get the 2013 1st overall pick. Nothing really happened(except for Marshall) that would take this team that far back. I think this team can reach 8-9 wins, compete for the playoffs and continue to grow in the coming years. That is my hope and expectation.

I would rather feel like that than root for the team to lose.
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rating or not Marshall hasnt been close to the corner that rogers has been throughout his career
 
Nublar7 said:
Your right, up until last year, Marshall was better.
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Your kidding right, go back and watch film of Marshall playing corner in carolina he was toasted weekly. He was so awesome he started the season as backup to AJ jefferson in Arizona last year. I mean really have you actually watched Marshall play prior to last year
 
yeah marshall in carolina wasn't very pretty...still i'll give coyle the benefit of the doubt on this one...he must have a vision for him

but aj jefferson showed off some fantastic feet and tools last year at the combine...game tape though in college at south carolina was hit and miss
 
Nublar7 said:
Expecting to lose and bashing the team is an easy out for some people. If they are always bashing the team and they do happen to lose, they can just say "See I told you we suck." If they win then they can go skipping around saying "Wow they proved me wrong" and acting all happy. In some cases, like R&R already spearheading the "Fall flat for Matt" campaign, they are just trying to cover all their bases. God forbid they say something good about the team, they open themselves to criticism and they just can't take that. Now people who choose to have hope and support the team have to be stronger people because they have to deal with these people who choose not to take risks and support the team. It is much easier for someone to bash the team and be wrong then it is to support the team and be wrong. That is why you see so many people bashing every little thing, because they just are not strong enough to put themselves out there and support the team and hope they win.
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This is an amazing post. It is hard for me to get my mind around the fact that there are people who actually make it through life thinking like you do. So let me get this straight, what you are saying is you would rather go through life with blinders on rather than look at something for what it is. So truth and reality have no place in your world, only what you hope possibly COULD happen, and on top of that anyone who doesn't agree with your unrealistic fantasy is a hater. There is a difference between HOPING for something and EXPECTING something. I can hope Moore figures it all out this year and becomes Drew Brees like, I HOPE Bush has another year where he plays as good as he did last year. I hope our WRs make huge leaps and become some where close to average. But that isn't what I expect, and just because I don't EXPECT them to happen, doesn't mean I'm not pulling for them.


You say you don't understand how we can watch games thinking we are going to have a bad year, well I don't see how you can go into a season lying to yourself to the point you think we have superstars at every postion. You must see the dolphins as the most underachieving team in the history of football. No wonder some people can't stand it when a sports writer or TV annoucers says we are probably going to have a losing season. Some of you people have lied to yourselves so much that you have already planned your superbowl victory celebrations.

Does it not annoy you when you talk to the fans of other teams who have no realistic idea of the talent their teams have to win?? When you bump into a blonde chick at the magizine rack with a Carolina Panthers jersey on and she is telling you how her panthers are going 13-3 and winning the superbowl, what do you really think of her football IQ?? What about when you sit down on a four hour flight beside a Jacksonville Jags fan who tells you Blaine is going to be the next big thing and they are a absolute playoff lock this year?? Do you really sit there and converse with these people or do you just ignore them and hope they shut up soon??

Is it POSSIBLE that the dolphins could go 9-7 next year with this roster?? Sure, and it's possible that you could call a raise in Texas Holdem with 7-2 after 6 other players, and the flop comes A-A-2 and it is possible that you COULD have the best hand. But are you willing to call an all in hoping to hit running deuces?? Just because something is POSSIBLE doesn't make it probable. And saying you think the probable is going to happen instead of saying the possible is going to happen doesn't make you a hater, it makes you realistic.
 
dont forget we went into the season last year with henne as the starter.
 
Crypt Keeper said:


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The guy makes fair points and that's your response? Pretty embarrassing for you. It hurts this forum when a guy trying to have meaningful discussion has to face this bull****. Not only is your response unbelievably dumb, but it doesn't even fit. It's like you ****ed up being a stupid *******.

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Nublar7 said:
Your are right, calling Rogers and Whitner low level was harsh on my part. My point is though that these were not big time free agent signings that shows like ESPN and NFL Network would talk about for days. They weren't Peyton Manning or Mario Williams. They were not top tier additions. For example, Scout.com had Rogers as the 11th best cornerback on the free agent market and Whitner as the 11th best safety. Those are not league ratings, those are what they felt they ranked of the free agent class last August. They were not viewed then as big time additions, and that is the point I am trying to make. They exceeded expectations. For giggles, Richard Marshall is rated as the 6th best free agent cornerback this year.

I am not saying Miami is going to the Championship game or going to win 13 games. I am not even sold that they are a playoff team this year. However, can they be a team that wins 9 games and is in contention for a playoff spot? Probably. Doesn't mean they will reach that level, but I don't think it is crazy to think they couldn't. The reasons I think Miami can have a good season is because a new coaching staff usually brings a fresh spark(look at 2008), the schedule is very soft compared to last year, and besides Brandon Marshall this is pretty much the same team(pre-draft) that was fielded in 2011. They finished the season on a 6-3 run, dominated the lesser teams and lost to the top to elite teams like the Patriots, Giants and Cowboys by a combined 7 points in the second half of the year. It is not unrealistic to think this team can build on the growth they had at the end of last season and be better this season. That is why I think it is ridiculous to think this team will be a one or two win team and get the 2013 1st overall pick. Nothing really happened(except for Marshall) that would take this team that far back. I think this team can reach 8-9 wins, compete for the playoffs and continue to grow in the coming years. That is my hope and expectation.

I would rather feel like that than root for the team to lose.
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You confuse me, Nubs. I've seen you take some of the moves this team makes harder than anyone, but it wears off and all that faith in the company rushes back in. Even if some of us don't think much of how this team is put together, there's no joy in seeing them lose. No one cares about being right they just want to see the team do better. Winning feels great. I miss the days when we'd make regular playoff appearances and were always a contender. Being a Dolphins fan was something to be proud of. It's terrible to have that taken away from you. That's why you see pissed off long time fans.

You make good points on how things could turn, but there's the other side to it and I would say more likely. Sometimes fresh coaching blood prompts a turnaround and sometimes it winds up like Cam in 07. Saying it's the same team is not always a good thing since stagnation usually leads to a drop and they were already a losing team. BMarsh, Langford, Yeremiah are quality players we lost. We've brought in some new players who have an element of the unknown. We're hoping for more than they've ever shown from some of them. Those elite teams we barely lost to last year were sleepwalking and as much as we can talk up 6-3 that's on the backside of an amazingly terrible 0-7. We've had the same GM for 4 years now (debate his power all you want but he's had the position) and have no QB, no young playmakers and an uncertain future while getting progressivel. You shouldn't have to spin yourself into believing in this team.

I don't see any move in this offseason that calls for optimism. If last year we'd picked up Murray, Dalton, any of the impressive rookie receivers. Something for Ireland to hang his hat on beyond a C we took at 15. That would instill some faith. As someone who's a fan of the NFL, I don't see anything we've done to elevate ourselves. I'd be pleased as hell if we take Tannehill but I'm not expecting it to pay off this year. It's a strange expectation to put so much hope in this draft when Ireland has proven to get 1 quality starter with the 1st pick and maybe a borderline starter later in the draft. Maybe. That's not going to turn everything around and justify ignoring free agency. Especially when the best QB option is years away from contributing. When this team makes moves that warrant optimism then I will out homer all ya'll.
 
The Running game looks good if we can find that starting RG. The passing game lacks creativity and playmakers. Not a formula for scoring points or winning games in the fourth quarter. Defense looks good against the run. think our pass defense will be improved if we find a FS that can cover and get that pass rusher. I think at least one of the gaps will be filled. Looking like a 500 team right now coming out of this draft. Could be a little worse or a little better.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
This is an amazing post. It is hard for me to get my mind around the fact that there are people who actually make it through life thinking like you do. So let me get this straight, what you are saying is you would rather go through life with blinders on rather than look at something for what it is. So truth and reality have no place in your world, only what you hope possibly COULD happen, and on top of that anyone who doesn't agree with your unrealistic fantasy is a hater. There is a difference between HOPING for something and EXPECTING something. I can hope Moore figures it all out this year and becomes Drew Brees like, I HOPE Bush has another year where he plays as good as he did last year. I hope our WRs make huge leaps and become some where close to average. But that isn't what I expect, and just because I don't EXPECT them to happen, doesn't mean I'm not pulling for them.


You say you don't understand how we can watch games thinking we are going to have a bad year, well I don't see how you can go into a season lying to yourself to the point you think we have superstars at every postion. You must see the dolphins as the most underachieving team in the history of football. No wonder some people can't stand it when a sports writer or TV annoucers says we are probably going to have a losing season. Some of you people have lied to yourselves so much that you have already planned your superbowl victory celebrations.

Does it not annoy you when you talk to the fans of other teams who have no realistic idea of the talent their teams have to win?? When you bump into a blonde chick at the magizine rack with a Carolina Panthers jersey on and she is telling you how her panthers are going 13-3 and winning the superbowl, what do you really think of her football IQ?? What about when you sit down on a four hour flight beside a Jacksonville Jags fan who tells you Blaine is going to be the next big thing and they are a absolute playoff lock this year?? Do you really sit there and converse with these people or do you just ignore them and hope they shut up soon??

Is it POSSIBLE that the dolphins could go 9-7 next year with this roster?? Sure, and it's possible that you could call a raise in Texas Holdem with 7-2 after 6 other players, and the flop comes A-A-2 and it is possible that you COULD have the best hand. But are you willing to call an all in hoping to hit running deuces?? Just because something is POSSIBLE doesn't make it probable. And saying you think the probable is going to happen instead of saying the possible is going to happen doesn't make you a hater, it makes you realistic.
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If one wants to view things optimistically what's wrong with that? :idk: Hell I'd rather be totally optimistic than totally pessimistic. But if you choose to do the former or latter that's your choice. I don't get why people get so bent outta shape how one roots for their team. It baffles me really.
 
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