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Predict The AFC East

Bills: 10-6
Jets: 7-9
Dolphins: 10-6
Patriots: 6-10

Jets only beat like 1 or 2 good teams, so with a harder schedule it will be known they still suck.

Pats will fall off.

And buffalo cant be any worse with losman then they were with the statue i mean bledsoe.
 
nyjunc said:
The problem w/ that line of thinking is that just about every team can say they could have won a few more. We only got blown out once, does that mean we can go 15-1 this year? of course not, you were a 4-12 team for a reason and you haven't improved that drastically to think you can win any more than 7 or 8.


My point is that we were competitive in most of our games. Had Ricky not retired, we go somewhere around 8 to 10 wins easily. Now that he is probably back plus Ronnie Brown we are much better offensively. I'd give our defense a "push" in the improvement category. Sure we lost Surtain and Knight, but we also added a lot of veterans and leaders. I'm a little worried about Free safety to be honest, but every other position is solid IMO.

So to predict an 8 win season with a team that is better in so many ways (see my list) seems pessimistic at best, ignorant at worst.
 
nyjunc said:
You won 10 games the year before b/c you beat 2 bad teams 4 times(Buf & NYJ), you haven't made the playoffs since '01. You had some bad luck but that wasn't the only reason you were bad, you still wouldn't have been a playoff team even if Ricky was there and Boston was healthy. You would have been better but not a playoff team. Now you have 2 QBs who have shown little in their NFL careers and you have a shaky OL. You definitely have skill players but if Feeley is on his back what good will that do?(tht's assuming he can even deliver w/ time).



I think we CAN be a SN team b/c we weren't far away last year and we are better on paper this year. We drafted Nugent in the 2nd rd not first. You guys gave up #1 picks for Ricky(never saw a playoff game), a #2 for a 3rd string QB and a #3 for a 3rd string RB.

So we haven't made the playoffs I think it's clear it was coaching and not talent, so since we have made vast improvements in coaching and upgraded the talent, I think it safe to say we have a chance at competeing for the division title. As for Nugent anything more then a fourth rd pick for any kicker is too high. There is no way on gods green earth anyone else had him so high on their boards. Your franchise has a history of making people scratch their heads when your team picks. I think Chad is an upper tier QB as far as talent, but he can't stay healthy and that makes him a less then upper tier as an all around QB. How in the world can you give an honest opinion on the QB situation in Miami when AJ has never been given a fair shot as for Gus he has proven to be a solid QB in this league, not great!! But solid enough to make a probowl.

I hope you like J.Fiedler because he will see action this year and you better hope it's not against the fins because he will be in for a long day. The Fins won ten games the year before last because of Ricky and a rock solid D not because we played lessor quality teams. The Jets make the playoffs because of talent and coaching. We now have the same philosophy as the Pats as far as what the team needs to do to get to the next level and coaching styles. BB has said Saban worries him more then any coach that could have been hired in Miami, if thats not respect I don't know what is. I think I'll take the opinion of a three time SB coach over a bitter rival fan anyday, beside I think BB has just a little more knowledge about Saban then you.

Coaching is the key here for Miami talent has never been an issue, but coaching or lack of has. If nothing else the players here are fired up and excited to play, something you never read about under DW. Ricky wants to come back something that never would have happend had Wanny stayed. Go back and read some of the comments made by the players here about Saban they all say the same thing they think he's smart and has a plan and a vision for the future of theis franchise and they want to play for Saban once again something I never read the whole time Wanny was here. Just crawl into your shell and keep thinking this will be the same fins team you've seen the last 5 years and when you wake up the fins will be a force not just in future years but this up comming season aswell.
 
Patriots 12-4: They are the team to beat obviously and I'd pick them to 3-peat right now...although I think the Ravens and Chargers will make life difficult on them.

Dolphins 10-6: They had 10-6 talent at this time last year. Ricky, Wanny, Wise and Foerrster turned that into 4-12 talent. All we did was add talent, assemble one of the better coaching staffs in the league and we have zero expectations (outside of this board). We stay healthy and Feeley plays average we are a wild card. That is not homerism it is my belief.

Bills 9-7: I think they start slowly and the defense steals some games until Losman gets his feet under him. I think they close VERY strong and make a late push for a wild card and come up just short. They are a playoff team in '06 though.

Jets 7-9: Curtis Martin has reached the age when runners lose it overnight. He could go for 1400 yards (if that is the case they go 10-6) or he could go for 600 and get hurt (I think the more realistic option is a very boring 1100 yard season marred by 3.4 yards per carry). I think the secondary is still a big question mark and Herm Edwards needs to learn clock management. Also... Pennington will get hurt...enter Jay Fiedler. Enough said.

The best division in the NFL. It will only be better in '06. The Pats will be the Pats, the Bills will be a force in '06 (I really think that if Losman grows into a decent Q.B. anmd McGahee stays healthy they will make a Super Bowl run in '06) and the Phins will have another good draft under their belts and another year in Saban's system. The Jets remain a question mark for me. They seem to be built short term. Yes, they have youth on defense but their offense is getting older and their Q.B. is injury prone. Herm Rdwards is a good caoch but I see burnout in his future...either that or the players tune him out.

I will now put away my Madame Cleo robe until midway through the pre-season.:tongue:
 
AZStryker said:
My point is that we were competitive in most of our games. Had Ricky not retired, we go somewhere around 8 to 10 wins easily. Now that he is probably back plus Ronnie Brown we are much better offensively. I'd give our defense a "push" in the improvement category. Sure we lost Surtain and Knight, but we also added a lot of veterans and leaders. I'm a little worried about Free safety to be honest, but every other position is solid IMO.

So to predict an 8 win season with a team that is better in so many ways (see my list) seems pessimistic at best, ignorant at worst.

I know what your point is but it's not as simple as that. we lost Chad for 3 games then he played the 2nd half of the year w/ a torn rotator cuff AND we played the final 6 or 7 games w/o our best defensive player yet we lost all close games except for 1. You guys have improved but not by that much where you'll all of a sudden win 10 games again. There is not a 6 game difference from last year to this year. You still have many holes that haven't been corrected.

So we haven't made the playoffs I think it's clear it was coaching and not talent, so since we have made vast improvements in coaching and upgraded the talent, I think it safe to say we have a chance at competeing for the division title.

Obviously, you guys were the most talented team in the league by far. It was all Wannstedts fault, he inherited a dynasty and destroyed it :rolleyes: Your talent has been vastly overrated for years, Wannstedt came in to a situation where he lost Marino and had NO good offensive players and yet he still won the division in his 1st yr and got you back to the playoffs in yr 2 and won 9 & 10 in yrs 3 & 4. Last year was not DW's fault. You can fault him for being dumb enough to get rid of 2 1st rounders for Ricky or for trading a #2 for a 3rd string QB or a #3 for a 3rd string RB but he did a decent job coaching the tam. I know it's convenient for dolphin fans to blame everything on him & Fiedler but that is unfair.

As for Nugent anything more then a fourth rd pick for any kicker is too high. There is no way on gods green earth anyone else had him so high on their boards.

really? minnesota was going to take him w/ their next pick which was only a few slots from where we picked.

How in the world can you give an honest opinion on the QB situation in Miami when AJ has never been given a fair shot as for Gus he has proven to be a solid QB in this league, not great!! But solid enough to make a probowl.

I have seen AJ enough, I saw him play in Philly, I saw him play last year. I'm not impressed and I don't think he'll ever be a good NFL QB. Frerotte has done nothing in this league besides be an ok backup for a year or 2. he has started 2 playoff games and combined was 25 for 75 for 375 yds w/ 1 TD & 3 INTs as his teams were thrashed both times.

BB has said Saban worries him more then any coach that could have been hired in Miami, if thats not respect I don't know what is.

He's also his best friend, what did you expect him to say? I don't doubt Saban will be a good coach but to expect it in yr 1 is not realistic.

Coaching is the key here for Miami talent has never been an issue, but coaching or lack of has.

Jimmy Johnson won 2 SB's and when he was in Miami they lost 17-3, 38-3 & 62-7 in 3 straight postseasons. I guess that was the coaching and not the talent, right? Your talent has been overrated for many years.

Ricky wants to come back something that never would have happend had Wanny stayed.

Ricky doesn't want to owe the dolphins $8 mil, he's only coming back for that reason. he has no desire to play and will be more of a distratcion than a help not to mention he has had only 1 good year in the league anyway so it's not as if Jim Brown is coming out of retirement.

Go back and read some of the comments made by the players here about Saban they all say the same thing they think he's smart and has a plan and a vision for the future of theis franchise and they want to play for Saban once again something I never read the whole time Wanny was here.

What do you expect them to say? I should know this better than anyone b/c my team has changed coaches so often, everytime we made a switch the players said what a breath of fresh air, how things were differetn, blah, blah, blah. They said it for Coslet, carroll, Kotite, Parcells, Groh, & Herm. Whenevr a coaching change is made players will say good things about the incoming coach.

Just crawl into your shell and keep thinking this will be the same fins team you've seen the last 5 years and when you wake up the fins will be a force not just in future years but this up comming season aswell.

Didn't you read my prediction, I think Miami will go 16-0. How could they not w/ all this talent and the greatest coach ever to lead a football team.
 
MelbournePhin said:
You guys gave up #1 picks for Ricky(never saw a playoff game),

i bet you werent saying that when he was running roughshod over you guys. hindsight is 20/20 bro

he had 1 great game against us, in 4 games as a dolphin he has 2 100+ yd games and 2 under 100 yd games. He was ok against us. When you acquired him I was bervous about him but I still thought you gave up too much.

and you know this because?

B/c you weren't a playoff team WITH Ricky the previous 2 years.


correct me if im wrong, but didnt the jets pad the ole win column last year by beating up mostly cupcakes? i mean you did get 2 ws from whooping up on our sorry asses

We had the most difficult schedule of any playoff team. We beat SD at SD twice, beat Buf, lost close, bitter games at Pitt, were the only team to hold NE under 20 points(we held them to 13). Much different than 4 gimme's that you had just in the division 2 yrs ago.
 
nyjunc said:
I have been swayed by all the "miami Super Bowl" topics on here lately :D

Miami 16-0
NE 2-14
Buf 2-14
NYJ 2-14

Finally a guy that knows what he is talking about.
 
unifiedtheory said:
Dolphins 10-6: They had 10-6 talent at this time last year. Ricky, Wanny, Wise and Foerrster turned that into 4-12 talent. All we did was add talent, assemble one of the better coaching staffs in the league and we have zero expectations (outside of this board). We stay healthy and Feeley plays average we are a wild card. That is not homerism it is my belief.
Last years fins that you thought had 10-6 talent is learning an entire new system both on D and O. Your secondary is weaker on paper (plus it's learning a new system :D ) compared to last years team.
 
Well i see it like this:
miami 10-6
NYJ: 9-7
Patriots: 9-7 ( They will go 8-0 then brady will get hit by a bus, or maybe Jt will just kill him)
Jills: 5-11 ( JP losman isnt a dan he will not carry the team on his shoulders during his first year of play)
 
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