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QB In Focus- Ryan Tannehill

• Showed good improvement throwing the ball in between the numbers (+15.0).
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This part is important I think, to improve between the numbers. But I think a lot of his between the numbers work would be the short slants. If he can improve between the numbers on intermediate routes, say about 15-20 yards, I think that would be a huge asset for him. He has the arm but he just needs to let go of the ball when he sees it (correctly).
 
roy_miami said:
I don't hate PFF, I hate the argument that because PFF says passer rating is a team stat then it is so.

I really enjoyed and appreciated their in depth QB stats breaking it down into different categories. Would I pay for it? No (didn't even have to). Did I learn anything significant that I couldn't have projected from just the passer rating and a few other simple stats like the box score? Not really. Does it even matter if a QB is really efficient specifically on second down? Probably not. And their grades and rankings still seem bizarre to me. How does Tannehill have a +6.1 grade vs Foles -2.4 grade in fourth quarter efficiency? Foles is leading the league in 3 categories including his 128 passer rating, so how in the **** is Tannehill and his 64.6 rating ranked 11th while Foles is 32nd? Makes no sense.
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Because passer rating is a whole offense stat, not a singular player stat.

The whole passing game reflects on passer rating.
 
Phinatic8u said:
Because passer rating is a whole offense stat, not a singular player stat.

The whole passing game reflects on passer rating.
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If you want to make that argument then so is every stat ever used in the history of sport, including PFFs measures. Playing the "extenuating circumstances" card just wreaks of desperation.

What comes to mind from this list of QBs compiled using only passer rating stats? Great QBs or QBs made great by being lucky enough to have a good team around them? How anybody could think that Peyton Manning wouldn't have great passer rating stats no matter which team he was on over his 15 year career is beyond me.

Aaron Rodgers
Joe Montana
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Steve Young
Drew Brees
Kurt Warner
Ben Roethlisberger
Phillip Rivers
Russell Wilson
 
roy_miami said:
If you want to make that argument then so is every stat ever used in the history of sport, including PFFs measures. Playing the "extenuating circumstances" card just wreaks of desperation.

What comes to mind from this list of QBs compiled using only passer rating stats? Great QBs or QBs made great by being lucky enough to have a good team around them? How anybody could think that Peyton Manning wouldn't have great passer rating stats no matter which team he was on over his 15 year career is beyond me.

Aaron Rodgers
Joe Montana
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Steve Young
Drew Brees
Kurt Warner
Ben Roethlisberger
Phillip Rivers
Russell Wilson
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Pretty much, when it's a team sport then the team will affect each other. Basic 101.
 
Phinatic8u said:
Pretty much, when it's a team sport then the team will affect each other. Basic 101.
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The best hitters have the best batting averages and the best batting averages belong to the best hitters. Logic 101 would dictate that a batting average stat can be used as a measure of the hitter.
 
roy_miami said:
The best hitters have the best batting averages and the best batting averages belong to the best hitters. Logic 101 would dictate that a batting average stat can be used as a measure of the hitter.
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You can't compare a batting average to passer rating .

:bobdole:
 
roy_miami said:
:lol: okaayyyy...
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You obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say here.

A qb rating is determined by how th whole offense moves and plays. If a qb throws a 2 yard out and the TE or WR take it 60 yards to the endzone he has a high 100 rating without actually doing anything. If the same WR drops a pass into a CB arms and he intercepts it it negatively affects the qb rating..That's the simplest way to explain that.

A batting average is a singular player stat, no other player has a positive or negative impact on a batting average besides the batter.
 
For the most part NFL ratings and PFF grades are about the same or very similar. Over around 600 passes things normally balance out between the good and bad a QB goes through. However, there are exceptions when QB's play well individually but, surrounding talent does not play up to what he did, and the reverse can also be true.

NFL does not consider this, while PFF does. Tannehill is the biggest exception to the norm based on last year.
 
roy_miami said:
If you want to make that argument then so is every stat ever used in the history of sport, including PFFs measures. Playing the "extenuating circumstances" card just wreaks of desperation.

What comes to mind from this list of QBs compiled using only passer rating stats? Great QBs or QBs made great by being lucky enough to have a good team around them? How anybody could think that Peyton Manning wouldn't have great passer rating stats no matter which team he was on over his 15 year career is beyond me.

Aaron Rodgers
Joe Montana
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Steve Young
Drew Brees
Kurt Warner
Ben Roethlisberger
Phillip Rivers
Russell Wilson
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When a QB has a 30 point swing in his QB rating from one season to the next, is it most likely because:

1. His raw abilities are wildly inconsistent or
2. The team around him changed and affected his play

Do you really believe that Tom Brady was the 17th best QB in the league this year? Because that is what you are saying.

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Phinatic8u said:
You obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say here.

A qb rating is determined by how th whole offense moves and plays. If a qb throws a 2 yard out and the TE or WR take it 60 yards to the endzone he has a high 100 rating without actually doing anything. If the same WR drops a pass into a CB arms and he intercepts it it negatively affects the qb rating..That's the simplest way to explain that.

A batting average is a singular player stat, no other player has a positive or negative impact on a batting average besides the batter.
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Pretty amazing that you had to explain that.....
 
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