QB In Focus- Ryan Tannehill
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Above average percentage of drop-backs lasting two or less seconds (31.8%) and 2.1-2.5 seconds (28.0%).
Apparently you missed this one.
Seriously? I was responding to a post (which I quoted) claiming Miami had the league's worst pass blocking. Throwing the ball quicker than average and giving up pressure less than average does not equate to the worst pass blocking O-line in the NFL. That's just obvious.
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Not only that but Luck has 23 wins and 46 TDs over his first two seasons, which I'm guessing would have to rate pretty high historically.
Finfaninbuffalos problem is he thinks a label of "he's been nothing special" is a projection, its not. Being average over your first 2 seasons does not correlate with anything. Being amongst the best or best ever in your first two seasons at certain criteria does correlate with being great, at least thats what I'm guessing, I haven't looked into it extensively to be honest.
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I think reading through most of the 7 pages of posts the one thing I think is missed is when the pressure is on how the QBs respond. This is where Luck and Brady clearly have an advantage over QBs with a similar ranking. I do think Brady is on the decline whether it is gradual or rapid I'm not sure, obviously the supporting cast were poor.
As for Tannehill I think it is fair to say he improved last year, and it would be fair to say the expectation is he will improve again this year. Things I noticed last year were that in the last 2 minutes most often of halves he performed really well, in general when put under pressure at times he performed well and others less so, although sometimes I would have sympathy for the amount of pressure the oline put on him. Play calling wasn't always that great and this should improve his rating and winning % if it improves, which it should. Overall I'm optimistic on Tannehill, but can he win in the playoffs when the pressure is really on we just don't know.
As for Tannehill I think it is fair to say he improved last year, and it would be fair to say the expectation is he will improve again this year. Things I noticed last year were that in the last 2 minutes most often of halves he performed really well, in general when put under pressure at times he performed well and others less so, although sometimes I would have sympathy for the amount of pressure the oline put on him. Play calling wasn't always that great and this should improve his rating and winning % if it improves, which it should. Overall I'm optimistic on Tannehill, but can he win in the playoffs when the pressure is really on we just don't know.
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This is a great point and I believe this intangible doesn't just make the offensive players better but also makes the defense fight harder, even when down by a lot. We saw an example of this in the Colts-Chiefs game. And this stat tends to shows up in the win column. This is also why I actually think the value of the QB to the team is still underrated by most. A great QB can elevate his teammates and the teammates in turn elevate the QB. They feed off each other.
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Throwing the ball quicker than average has more to do with being pressured less than average than the quality of the offensive line. And yes, they were the worst pass blocking O-line in the NFL.
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IF you want to go by the 58 sacks on 680 pass plays, our pass blocking was the worst. IF you want to look at the total QB pressures given up, we were around the middle of the pack. I guess it depends on one's perspective of just looking at the lowlights or, the overall pass blocking of the team.
On the run, you would be dead right.
I didn't miss it. What do you think that shows?
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This is a comment from the same set of stats:
So yes, when a QB gets rid of the ball it does lead to fewer pressures, despite the play of the OL. Shouldn't that be obvious?
There were only two OLs with an adjusted sack rate worse than the Dolphins. Those teams were Philly and Seattle. So, you would think that they had worse pass blocking lines than the Dolphins right? Wrong. When you factor in time to throw, and reason for sack (blown block vs coverage sack) it's not really close.
As already pointed out, Tannehill threw 60% of his passes in 2.5 seconds or less. In comparison, that number is only 40% for Wilson and 39% for Foles.
One cause of sacks is the QB hanging on to the ball too long. Tannehill threw 14% of his passes after 3.5 seconds. It was 32% for Wilson and 26% for Foles.
Football Outsiders has a breakdown of all the sacks by reason (blown block, coverage sack, Rusher untouched, and a few other categories). The league average for sack type are:
blown block - 57%
Coverage - 20%
untouched - 13%
other - 10%
How do the Miami, Philly, and Seattle's OLs compare?
Miami - 74%, 10%, 10%, 6%
Philly - 43%, 34%, 14%, 9%
Seattle - 46%, 32%, 18%, 4%
So despite needing to protect their QB for far longer a much greater % of the time, the Philly and Seattle lines were responsible for a much lower % of their teams sacks.
Miami's blown block sack total (43) exceeded the total sacks allowed for 16 teams.
So, yes, in summary, Miami had the worst pass blocking OL in the league and it wasn't even close.
roy_miami
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All I know is if his rating is around 80 again and we only win 7 or 8 games its time to Tannehill to go bye bye. No more excuses. **** or get off the ****ing pot!!
lol.