QB Starter News from Greg Bedard

[ckparrothead]

I don't think you can point to any one thing that Feeley has or doesn't have that makes him the loser in this QB competition. I think the main thing to take from it is he's just not ready to win this competition. He's not. Gus is. In AJ's defense though, Gus hasn't been ready to put away a slam dunk on a QB competition like this until pretty late in his career (lets face it he beat Heath Shuler because Shuler blows).

AJ will learn from this and one day be able to take the reins, unless he just takes bitterness from this experience and tries to jump ship. If he does the latter, he will be showing an immaturity that merely proves he was not ready to be our QB.

 

[Wildbill3]

We're looking for guys who can play winning football and can take it out there on the field and play winning football with a consistency and a discipline knowledge, execution, instincts, decision-making, judgement. All those things contribute to guys making good plays and big plays. And it's just not all about ability.

That said Gus is starting to me.

 

[ckparrothead]

the o-line isn't looking too bad so far this year. Quarterback's have had good time to throw the ball and good passing lanes. He had an entire summer to get over his lack of trust.

Here here. I can't wait to see the Jags game tape. I'm super duper impressed by Vernon Carey after scouring the Bears tape. Can't wait to see the Jags tape...the only sack was Marcus Stroud, and you know that means the interior OL (which we already knew is struggling).

I think Middleton should start at LG, Hadnot at RG, and McKinney at C. I know I know, McKinney sucks, but after seeing Hadnot play C, I think he can do more damage at RG.

 

[phinphan11]

Here here. I can't wait to see the Jags game tape. I'm super duper impressed by Vernon Carey after scouring the Bears tape. Can't wait to see the Jags tape...the only sack was Marcus Stroud, and you know that means the interior OL (which we already knew is struggling).

I think Middleton should start at LG, Hadnot at RG, and McKinney at C. I know I know, McKinney sucks, but after seeing Hadnot play C, I think he can do more damage at RG.

Yea, but I think that Seth could do more damage @ center... not the good kind, either.

 

[ckparrothead]

He's having a bad camp, but we've seen him start before. He's not the worst thing thats ever happened to us or anything.

I'll say this: Jeno James and John St. Clair were bigger holes at LG & RG than I've ever seen Seth McKinney been at center.

 

[edsta74]

Feeley has no trust in the line. That is his downfall


actually, feeleys downfalls are

1) takes too long to go thru his progressions
2) stares down his recievers
3) gets rattled easily
4) forces too many throws, even when the recievers not open.
5) no pocket presence

and hes just not getting this system down. i know its still early, but gus, sage and even berlin seem to look more comfortable out there. JMHO

 

[SCall13]

Frerotte hasn't been injured because of the lines pathetic play yet. Should that happen, I believe that his "confidence" in the o-line might slip a little.

This will be one of the MANY MANY MANY excuses made when Feeley is officially carrying the clipboard. Both QBs have played behind the same line. Both have taken some shots. Gus is EASILY tougher, a better leader, his arm is at least as strong, he has command of the offense and respect of the offensive guys. He doesn't get hurt (unless it's self inflicted. LOL) And the team actually moves the ball with him behind center. Gus hasn't came close to throwing an INT yet (that I can recall). Feeley has thrown one and really should have been two. He throws too much to his "safety valve" (or dump off if you'd prefer.) WHen Feeley does go downfield, he has some nice zip, but he is extremely inconsistant with his decision making on where that ball goes. He STILL stares down receivers - though not quite as badly as last year. He shows little or no confidence in the pocket and even less movement to buy time. Gus may be a good bit older, but he knows how to move a little to buy a litte more time. There is NO WAY anyone can say, with a straight face, that Feeley deserves or should get the QB job over Gus. If anyone says that at this point, they are only trying to fool themselves and are hanging on to a very thin thread of hope.

 

[DolphinDevil28]

Here here. I can't wait to see the Jags game tape. I'm super duper impressed by Vernon Carey after scouring the Bears tape. Can't wait to see the Jags tape...the only sack was Marcus Stroud, and you know that means the interior OL (which we already knew is struggling).

I think Middleton should start at LG, Hadnot at RG, and McKinney at C. I know I know, McKinney sucks, but after seeing Hadnot play C, I think he can do more damage at RG.

Well guess what. He was even better against Jacksonville. :up:

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Feeley has no trust in the line. That is his downfall


actually, feeleys downfalls are

1) takes too long to go thru his progressions
2) stares down his recievers
3) gets rattled easily
4) forces too many throws, even when the recievers not open.
5) no pocket presence

and hes just not getting this system down. i know its still early, but gus, sage and even berlin seem to look more comfortable out there. JMHO

1) false actually he gets through them quick. Too quickly. Today I saw him looking at this first, second and then dumping to the runningback in less than 2 seconds.

2) Also false. Frerotte does the same thing. Another thing that I heard Griese say was that in Lienhan's offense that the quarterback scours a certain part of the field. Divides it in quarters and halfs. Looks to the quarterback is staring down a reciever when he is looking a quarter of the field and half.

3) I don't know about this either. He seems to get frustrated easily. That comes from quarterbacks with little experience. Even Manning looked like he had happy feet during his 10 start in the NFL.

4) This also comes with inexperience. Something even the best quarterbacks do in the first 15 starts in the NFL. Plus the best qbs force throws. Wide recievers are open with a step.

5) NO trust in o-linemen is much worse than his 'lack of pocket presense"

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Here here. I can't wait to see the Jags game tape. I'm super duper impressed by Vernon Carey after scouring the Bears tape. Can't wait to see the Jags tape...the only sack was Marcus Stroud, and you know that means the interior OL (which we already knew is struggling).

I think Middleton should start at LG, Hadnot at RG, and McKinney at C. I know I know, McKinney sucks, but after seeing Hadnot play C, I think he can do more damage at RG.

You have to remember Jeno has been sick all preseason. Once he gets his legs back he will be fine at LG. Stick Middleton at RG and let Hadnot play center. If Seth is in at C there is no way we can use 3 step drops. Seth gets pushed back 3 yards vs even average DTs. He just does not have the strength to play at a NFL level. Seth is not even a good backup, I know he knows the system well enough, but if he wins the job we are gonna have problems from that spot all year. Wait and see.
I would also like to see what the new pick up, Ephium (however you spell it) can play. I have yet to see him in a game. Maybe he and Middleton are having to take awhile to learn the playbook. I hope he turns out to be a solid center and then Middleton and Hadnot could be our starters at G

 

[arsenal]

2) Also false. Frerotte does the same thing. Another thing that I heard Griese say was that in Lienhan's offense that the quarterback scours a certain part of the field. Divides it in quarters and halfs. Looks to the quarterback is staring down a reciever when he is looking a quarter of the field and half.

yeah that was in bedards blog

I thought Frerotte was OK but not nearly as good as what we saw against the Bears. The Jags factor into that, but, like reader Dennis McIntosh pointed out, he also locks onto receivers. (This actually might be a byproduct of Scott Linehan's system. Both Gus and A.J. have made mention of plays being on a quarter- or half-field read so that may explain some of the receiver-locking we see. However, I still think that is AJ's biggest weakness.)

 

[bigmiamifan]

I feel bad for Feeley. He had DT kill a nice drive against the Bears, and a drop and penalty (I think) kill at least two drives last week. And Feeley seemed to hand off a lot, but with #2s, they didn't get many yards leaving him run, run, pass, punt like last year with Jax blitzing on 3rd.

Gus may be ahead of Feeley, but I at this time, don't think Feeley has had an equally fair shot this pre-season. I think Feeley should start next week, then make a decision after that game.

 

[korl68]

Frerotte hasn't been injured because of the lines pathetic play yet. Should that happen, I believe that his "confidence" in the o-line might slip a little.

Your right no butt injuries. Check!

 

[arsenal]

I feel bad for Feeley. He had DT kill a nice drive against the Bears, and a drop and penalty (I think) kill at least two drives last week. And Feeley seemed to hand off a lot, but with #2s, they didn't get many yards leaving him run, run, pass, punt like last year with Jax blitzing on 3rd.

Gus may be ahead of Feeley, but I at this time, don't think Feeley has had an equally fair shot this pre-season. I think Feeley should start next week, then make a decision after that game.

yeah i kinda feel the same way, hes been a victim of circumstance... the running game doing nothing for him and it seems more pressure on him in the pocket than frerotte... then you have frerotte get whiffed on a potential safety, a ball slip out and end up a TD, then ricky carrying a drive getting the points for frerotte... but what can you do, maybe the stars aren't aligned for feeley and hes not meant to be our QB, haha... i dont know but as of now frerotte does have the slight lead, he has been able to at least ge tus some points...

 

[korl68]

Feeley has no trust in the line. That is his downfall


actually, feeleys downfalls are

1) takes too long to go thru his progressions
2) stares down his recievers
3) gets rattled easily
4) forces too many throws, even when the recievers not open.
5) no pocket presence

and hes just not getting this system down. i know its still early, but gus, sage and even berlin seem to look more comfortable out there. JMHO

:clap: Yes!