QBs Drafted to be back ups?

[finmann]

We drafted qb's while we had Marino... Enough said...

was going to say the same thing.....agree with you.

 

[inFINSible]

Like I have said coubtless times: QBs are drafted to be backups. Coaches HOPE they become more but realize that the odds are against it. If they become even better than expected, that is great. If not, they got what they were after - a servicable backup.
Of course everyone is looking for superstars. But a REALISTIC GM KNOWS that SUPERSTARS are few and far between- especically in later rounds.

See, this is where you are completely wrong....QBs are drafted BECAUSE OF THAT HOPE.... NOT to be career back-ups.

They were going AFTER the next Montana, NOT a servicable back-up. What they SETTLED FOR has NOTHING to do with what they WANTED.


I have been saying the same thing from the very first post in this discussion, two days ago.

 

[inFINSible]

Let's look at the first 4 posts to see how this all happened....

Mueller did say he thought about drafting Feeley. But alot of teams draft QBs to be backups - 2nd and 3rd stringers. I doubt VERY seriously that Mueller wanted to draft Feeley with the intentions of him being a starter. AJ is simply not starter material.
I have also heard Mueller say that AJ is not the answer for Miami's future at the QB position.

Teams draft QBs to be back-ups??

I was under the impression that if a team used a pick on a QB that there was at least some hope or possibility that he could be developed into a starter. Seems kind of silly to waste a pick on a player you know will never be anything but, a back-up.

Teams sign QBs in FA to be back-ups but, I don't think they draft QBs hoping to one day have a good back-up.

I have to disagree. Having a good back up quarterback is essential in the NFL. I think many teams do draft in hoping that at the very least he will be a good back up.

There might be a think hope he could turn out to be more than a back up.

It is like drafting a player to be a punt returner or a special teams guy.

I agree that at the very least they would like to get a decent back-up out of the deal but, I don't believe that any QB is drafted thinking that they'll never be more than a back-up.

You know, that doesn't really seem all that hard to understand...I'm still wondering how you got all twisted around....Maybe it's because if you admit you're wrong then you'd have to admit that Feeley was drafted because somebody thought he might have the talent to be a starter, and from a committed Feeley hater like yourself, that would be blasphemy....

Well, at least the mystery is solved...

 

[SCall13]

Let's look at the first 4 posts to see how this all happened....






You know, that doesn't really seem all that hard to understand...I'm still wondering how you got all twisted around....Maybe it's because if you admit you're wrong then you'd have to admit that Feeley was drafted because somebody thought he might have the talent to be a starter, and from a committed Feeley hater like yourself, that would be blasphemy....

Well, at least the mystery is solved...

That made absolutely zero sense. i have stuck to exactly what I have said from the beginning. QB's can and have been drafted to be backups. PERIOD. You just don't agree and that is fine. But the majority of the people on this thread, according to the poll agree with me and nout YOU. SO that puts you in the MNORITY on this subject. Believe how you want to believe. I have no problem with you viewpoint on it. But you aren't going to change mine. QB's, among other positions, are drafted for depth and to be backups. If these players, whatever position, turn out to be better, great. But coaches and GMs draft for depth at all positions. And of course they hope to find a gem late in the draft. Any coach would hope to. But they, like myself, are realistic. It doesn't usually happen, so they take what they went after. SOLID BACKUP HELP.

I'm not wrong- you're not wrong. We are both just stuck on our own OPINION about it. I will leave it at that.

 

[SCall13]

Let's look at the first 4 posts to see how this all happened....






You know, that doesn't really seem all that hard to understand...I'm still wondering how you got all twisted around....Maybe it's because if you admit you're wrong then you'd have to admit that Feeley was drafted because somebody thought he might have the talent to be a starter, and from a committed Feeley hater like yourself, that would be blasphemy....

Well, at least the mystery is solved...

One last thing...I do not like Feeley. but that is NOT what this thread was about. You are throwing something else into this out complete desperation to prove a point. Well, it's your point of view. Stick with it. My lack of confidence in Feeley has nothing to do with what I said or with the thread so why bring it up? Unbelievable. :shakeno: I'm finished with this. Just look at the poll results...they speak pretty loud.

 

[inFINSible]

One last thing...I do not like Feeley. but that is NOT what this thread was about. You are throwing something else into this out complete desperation to prove a point. Well, it's your point of view. Stick with it. My lack of confidence in Feeley has nothing to do with what I said or with the thread so why bring it up? Unbelievable. :shakeno: I'm finished with this. Just look at the poll results...they speak pretty loud.

I am showing what started this entire discussion. It is TOTALLY relevant to the reasons that you WON'T comprehend what I'm saying...

As for this poll, I'm sure many are just as confused as you are and probably voted before they read the thread. I'm not worried about being in the minority because I know that the majority is not always correct, and in this case, that's never been more clear.

 

[themole]

Like I have said coubtless times: QBs are drafted to be backups. Coaches HOPE they become more but realize that the odds are against it. If they become even better than expected, that is great. If not, they got what they were after - a servicable backup.
Of course everyone is looking for superstars. But a REALISTIC GM KNOWS that SUPERSTARS are few and far between- especically in later rounds.

They DON"T draft for backups! They draft to add VALUE to the team, whether the draftee adds value to the team as a servicible QB, Superstar or trade bait is a craps shoot. The GMs go into the proposition thinking adding value to the team. Some hit, most don't, resulting in journeymen type qbs being traded to other teams. This is where your Farves, Dellehommes, Breezes and untold hundreds of others have made their name. Drafting for backups is BS!

 

[SCall13]

I am showing what started this entire discussion. It is TOTALLY relevant to the reasons that you WON'T comprehend what I'm saying...

As for this poll, I'm sure many are just as confused as you are and probably voted before they read the thread. I'm not worried about being in the minority because I know that the majority is not always correct, and in this case, that's never been more clear.

How can i be confused when I'm the one who started the thread? I know exactly what I am talking about and I know exactly what you're trying to get at. We just don't agree. That's just the way it is. Noone agrees on everything. That's life.

 

[DPlus47]

*** Read this part carefully****

A team may draft a QB to be THE back-up to it's a current QB but, the team wouldn't draft said QB if it didn't think he could start, if need be. No QB is drafted saying, "He'll never be more than a back-up, God help us if we have to start him"

That is just utter foolishness.

i like this. i am going to post it again. this makes sense to me. i understand what you're saying. reading comprehension is a lost art, and so is seeing someone else's point of view, i guess.

 

[DPlus47]

i think this thread needs more confusion.

just to muddle this further, i think teams draft people HOPING they'll only be a backup. for examble, scott mitchell. they picked a guy they thought had the ability to start, but they also hoped he'd never see the field. unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. in conclusion, i don't think they drafted him "hoping" he could start. i think they drafted him "knowing" he could start, and "hoping" he would not.

 

[inFINSible]

i think this thread needs more confusion.

just to muddle this further, i think teams draft people HOPING they'll only be a backup. for examble, scott mitchell. they picked a guy they thought had the ability to start, but they also hoped he'd never see the field. unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. in conclusion, i don't think they drafted him "hoping" he could start. i think they drafted him "knowing" he could start, and "hoping" he would not.

Thanks, just what we needed...

Yes, I agree....my reading comprehension skills have not failed to understand your point. :)

Just to be clear though....:rolleyes2: ....Your last sentence says it all, he wasn't drafted thinking he didn't have the talent to develop into a starter, thus he wasn't drafted thinking he'd never be more than a back-up.

One more question, I'm sure at the time we drafted Scott Mitchell, he wasn't installed as the back-up. Without knowing the specifics, I'm sure that Scott Mitchell was a third string QB his first season, so, does that mean that that is what they drafted him to be??

 

[SCall13]

A team may draft a QB to be THE back-up to it's a current QB but, the team wouldn't draft said QB if it didn't think he could start, if need be. No QB is drafted saying, "He'll never be more than a back-up, God help us if we have to start him"

That is just utter foolishness.


I understand what you are saying too. But that doesn't disprove the concept of drafting a QB to be a backup. Of course you want him to have some ability if he should have to play. But some QBs are just suited to "manage a game" or to be a "caretaker" of an offense. These are backups. They are drafted to be servicable back up QBs. And as I said, if they develop further, it is a bonus. If they remain "servicable" then the coach and GM got what the were looking for.
It's no different than drafting a player in the 6th or 7th round who may have been a college LB but ends up only playing special teams in the NFL. He plays special teams but he is listed as a LB and is put somewhere on the depth chart. Did the said coach/gm anticpate turning this guy into a standout LB? Probably not. Will they hope he turns out that way? Sure, who wouldn't. But they know realistically that he is probably never going to make it off special teams unless it is absolutely necassary. They want him to be as prepared as possible for when and if he goes in. But they also realize he isn't going to be as effective as the starter and never will be. All of this can be said about any position - including QBs who ARE drafted with the intentions of them being backups.

 

[SCall13]

i think this thread needs more confusion.

just to muddle this further, i think teams draft people HOPING they'll only be a backup. for examble, scott mitchell. they picked a guy they thought had the ability to start, but they also hoped he'd never see the field. unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. in conclusion, i don't think they drafted him "hoping" he could start. i think they drafted him "knowing" he could start, and "hoping" he would not.

That gave me a headache. :D

 

[inFINSible]

A team may draft a QB to be THE back-up to it's a current QB but, the team wouldn't draft said QB if it didn't think he could start, if need be. No QB is drafted saying, "He'll never be more than a back-up, God help us if we have to start him"

That is just utter foolishness.


I understand what you are saying too. But that doesn't disprove the concept of drafting a QB to be a backup. Of course you want him to have some ability if he should have to play. But some QBs are just suited to "manage a game" or to be a "caretaker" of an offense. These are backups. They are drafted to be servicable back up QBs. And as I said, if they develop further, it is a bonus. If they remain "servicable" then the coach and GM got what the were looking for.
It's no different than drafting a player in the 6th or 7th round who may have been a college LB but ends up only playing special teams in the NFL. He plays special teams but he is listed as a LB and is put somewhere on the depth chart. Did the said coach/gm anticpate turning this guy into a standout LB? Probably not. Will they hope he turns out that way? Sure, who wouldn't. But they know realistically that he is probably never going to make it off special teams unless it is absolutely necassary. They want him to be as prepared as possible for when and if he goes in. But they also realize he isn't going to be as effective as the starter and never will be. All of this can be said about any position - including QBs who ARE drafted with the intentions of them being backups.

Nope, can't agree. If you draft someone it's because you believe they have the talent to start with the proper development. If they never make it that far, that pick was a failure in the sense that you would have been wrong thinking he could be a starter.

A team might sign a plan B free agent KNOWING that they are good back-ups and nothing more but, when they draft, they are shooting for the sky, nothing less.

What you're saying and what I'm saying are two different things. I agree that teams may draft a player, as BPA, into a position that's already filled with a starter but, they wouldn't do it KNOWING that player would never develop into anything more than a back-up.

The challenge to building a good team is to make sure that there is no drop-off if you lose a starter, the only way that that is going to happen is if you draft every player that you think has the talent to be a starter, if you draft players knowing they don't have the talent to start, then you are going to end up with a drop-off.

 

[djfresh47]

Players are drafted for value late in the draft IMO, not really for need. Obviously some guys are drafted to be backups, but look at Gus when he first started in Washington, I believe he was taken in around the 7th rd and was a better pick for that team than Heath Shuler. Look at New England this year who drafted the QB who backed up first Carson Palmer, and then Matt Leinart, if someone told me that they think he can turn into a starter I would think they're crazy. Teams have hopes for some players, but they're realistic also, team do draft players with no intentions of them ever becoming the starter, but they have hopes that the player can turn into something and if needed they will be able to "not lose" the game if the starting QB is hurt.