QBs Drafted to be back ups?

[SCall13]

Nope, can't agree. If you draft someone it's because you believe they have the talent to start with the proper development. If they never make it that far, that pick was a failure in the sense that you would have been wrong thinking he could be a starter.

A team might sign a plan B free agent KNOWING that they are good back-ups and nothing more but, when they draft, they are shooting for the sky, nothing less.

What you're saying and what I'm saying are two different things. I agree that teams may draft a player, as BPA, into a position that's already filled with a starter but, they wouldn't do it KNOWING that player would never develop into anything more than a back-up.

The challenge to building a good team is to make sure that there is no drop-off if you lose a starter, the only way that that is going to happen is if you draft every player that you think has the talent to be a starter, if you draft players knowing they don't have the talent to start, then you are going to end up with a drop-off.

You're right, the whole idea is to try to create a team with as little drop off from one player to the next. BUT, I know, you know, coaches know, and GMs know that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have that kind of quality depth.

 

[Eshlemon]

Two days I've been trying to get this point across....Esh, read what you wrote, please...

Now, think about what I'm saying...Shaub might have been drafted to back-up Vick but, he was also drafted with the idea that he had the talent to be a quality starter if Vick goes down so, the answer is NO, Shaub was not drafted to never be anything more than a back-up. He WAS drafted to be a quality starter if Vick is injured.

Here's another point...."Back-up" is short for "back-up starter" That automatically rules out anyone being drafted to be anything but, an eventual starter. Every team in the league wants there to be no drop off from the starter to the second string starter. If they could make it happen, there'd be no diffrence in the starters and the back-up starters. Is it realistic? Is it fool proof? Is it always going to turn out great? NO, of course not but, if you ever draft anybody thinking he's got no talent to ever be a starter, then you're simply wasting picks.

You make our case, "Schaub was drafted to be a quality starter if Vick is injured.", which is the backup QB. So at least one team drafted a QB to be a backup on their team. Calling it "back-up" or "back-up starter" doesn't change the fact Schaub was drafted to play behind Vick for Atlanta. Not someone to develop and replace Vick in a couple years as the #1 QB or provide competetion for the starting job. If Schaub was drafted to be the #1 QB in Atlanta, they wouldn't have given Vick a 10 year/$100+ million dollar contract.

Another team may trade for Schaub to be their starting QB. But with Atlanta, Schaub was drafted to be the #2 QB. Which means yes, a team will draft a QB to be the backup for their team.

 

[PhinBeck]

My eyes are WIDE open. And I can look around the league and see plenty of career back up QBs.

May be wide open but if so you are doing the avoidance dance. You STILL havent addressed the issue, Do YOU think Atl drafted Shaub in teh belief and hope that Shaub would NEVER be a starter? Do you believe Shaub will NEVER get a chance to thee guy? Yes teams will take a flyer on a qb if they feel that at a MINIMUM he will be a good backup, but at max will develop into a great qb. That hope means by nature that he wasnt drafted to nly be a backup forever, they drafted him because they felt he had future potential to be a solid if noit better starter, but at a min he could be a serviceable backup if he didnt develop. That is MUCH diff than saying that they drafted a guy to be a backup and a backup only throughout his career, that is not what teams do.

I am done arguing this, it is a silly argument that has no merit.

 

[PhinBeck]

You make our case, "Schaub was drafted to be a quality starter if Vick is injured.", which is the backup QB. So at least one team drafted a QB to be a backup on their team. Calling it "back-up" or "back-up starter" doesn't change the fact Schaub was drafted to play behind Vick for Atlanta. Not someone to develop and replace Vick in a couple years as the #1 QB or provide competetion for the starting job. If Schaub was drafted to be the #1 QB in Atlanta, they wouldn't have given Vick a 10 year/$100+ million dollar contract.

Another team may trade for Schaub to be their starting QB. But with Atlanta, Schaub was drafted to be the #2 QB. Which means yes, a team will draft a QB to be the backup for their team.

So you are saying Mora and McKay drafted Shaub with the plans that he be a career backup? Hmmm,..... wasted pick even if he is a good backup.

 

[SCall13]

May be wide open but if so you are doing the avoidance dance. You STILL havent addressed the issue, Do YOU think Atl drafted Shaub in teh belief and hope that Shaub would NEVER be a starter? Do you believe Shaub will NEVER get a chance to thee guy? Yes teams will take a flyer on a qb if they feel that at a MINIMUM he will be a good backup, but at max will develop into a great qb. That hope means by nature that he wasnt drafted to nly be a backup forever, they drafted him because they felt he had future potential to be a solid if noit better starter, but at a min he could be a serviceable backup if he didnt develop. That is MUCH diff than saying that they drafted a guy to be a backup and a backup only throughout his career, that is not what teams do.

I am done arguing this, it is a silly argument that has no merit.

Do I personally think Schaub will ever be a starter? No. There I answered your question.

 

[SCall13]

You make our case, "Schaub was drafted to be a quality starter if Vick is injured.", which is the backup QB. So at least one team drafted a QB to be a backup on their team. Calling it "back-up" or "back-up starter" doesn't change the fact Schaub was drafted to play behind Vick for Atlanta. Not someone to develop and replace Vick in a couple years as the #1 QB or provide competetion for the starting job. If Schaub was drafted to be the #1 QB in Atlanta, they wouldn't have given Vick a 10 year/$100+ million dollar contract.

Another team may trade for Schaub to be their starting QB. But with Atlanta, Schaub was drafted to be the #2 QB. Which means yes, a team will draft a QB to be the backup for their team.

That's right....exactly.

 

[SCall13]

So you are saying Mora and McKay drafted Shaub with the plans that he be a career backup? Hmmm,..... wasted pick even if he is a good backup.

It's not a wasted pick if he comes in a plays 3 or 4 games and keeps them in the playoff hunt.

 

[SCall13]

It's funny, we keep going back and forth with the same reponses to each other. There is no changing minds on this debate. May as well give it a rest.

 

[PhinBeck]

It's not a wasted pick if he comes in a plays 3 or 4 games and keeps them in the playoff hunt.

It is a wasted pick because they could have gotten that in the FA market cheaply and taken someone who had a chance of developing into a starter.

 

[SCall13]

It is a wasted pick because they could have gotten that in the FA market cheaply and taken someone who had a chance of developing into a starter.

Come on. That is reaching and completely speculative. This debate is not about free agency. It's about the draft. And I stick by my OPINION that QBs are drafted to be backups. There are over at least 64 backup QBs around the league. 32 are second team QBS and 32 are thrid team QBs. And then there are practice squad QBs and probably others. All of these QBs were NOT drafted with any thought that they would ever be starters. NO way. No How.

 

[PhinBeck]

Come on. That is reaching and completely speculative. This debate is not about free agency. It's about the draft. And I stick by my OPINION that QBs are drafted to be backups. There are over at least 64 backup QBs around the league. 32 are second team QBS and 32 are thrid team QBs. And then there are practice squad QBs and probably others. All of these QBs were NOT drafted with any thought that they would ever be starters. NO way. No How.

Reaching? Yeah you! If you think that teams in any round look at a player with the plan that the player they are considering with that pick would be nothing more than a career backup you are wrong, you can stick stubbornly to a wrong opinion, that is fine. In thios case opinion is wrong. ,........ah why am I arguing? Believe what you want. It dont matter, it is what it is.

 

[SCall13]

Reaching? Yeah you! If you think that teams in any round look at a player with the plan that the player they are considering with that pick would be nothing more than a career backup you are wrong, you can stick stubbornly to a wrong opinion, that is fine. In thios case opinion is wrong. ,........ah why am I arguing? Believe what you want. It dont matter, it is what it is.

OK, I'm wrong. :shakeno: So are the other people in this thread that vote overwhelmingly that I, along with them, are right. It's funny - if this same thread would have been made and said about an offensive guard or defensive tackle, you would probably agree.

 

[Losman7]

Is this thread an indirect dig at AJ Feeley?

Basically if you think yes, than AJ was projected as a third stringer in the NFL.

Tough call FinFans...?...

 

[djfresh47]

Is this thread an indirect dig at AJ Feeley?

Basically if you think yes, than AJ was projected as a third stringer in the NFL.

Tough call FinFans...?...

Yeah but ya can look at other QB's who were late draft picks but had success. I'm not saying that's normal and something that happens alot, but it does happen. The most logical person to think of would be Brady, who by standards would also be projected to be 3rd string, i'm not comparing Brady and Feeley, but only the spots in which they were drafted. Obviously Brady is great HOF Qb, and Feeley may not beat out Gus for the starting job, but Brady would be projected to be worse than Feeley because I believe he was taken in the 6th rd and Feeley in the 5th, so projecting somebody on where they were taken in the draft may not actually work, although someone who has had a higher draft pick invested in them will get more of an opportunity to succeed.

 

[SCall13]

Is this thread an indirect dig at AJ Feeley?

Basically if you think yes, than AJ was projected as a third stringer in the NFL.

Tough call FinFans...?...

No not at all. Feeley has nothing to do with this thread. It was a general question.