Question about the McMichael situation:

[Krie30511]

His wife was already telling police it was an accident so the witnesses were the ones that said that "he gave her a bloody nose"

i don't think charges will go against him and I just asked my grandfather (an attorney) and he said from the sound of it, it will be ruled accidental, Cawanna is on record with the police saying it was an accident so if she stays with that testimony the charges will be dropped. But if she decideds to go against that statement it opens up a whole other can of worms..... And no if he's charged with assult he could see jail time but he doubts he will

 

[ch19079]

hitting a pregnant woman = yes, a felony
hitting a non-pregnant woman = depends.

some women NEED to get hit, that old adage "you shouldn't hit a woman" went out the door many moons ago. women today are not the same as they were 50 years ago. the class is gone, the subservient-ness is gone, and its not the same era.

now that women are voting, working, and can do as they please (including talk ****, cheat on men, and hit first), i think that idea is out-moded. just as a guy deserves to get slapped if he gets caught cheating, why can't a woman get the same? what makes her so special?

remove the double standards!

the only time you can hit a woman is if he has a weapon and inteds on beating the crap out of you.

and ill also ask, is that how you really feel? or are you just making a point?

if you caught your girl cheating on you, would you punch her in the face?? :shakeno:

 

[ch19079]

His wife was already telling police it was an accident so the witnesses were the ones that said that "he gave her a bloody nose"

i don't think charges will go against him and I just asked my grandfather (an attorney) and he said from the sound of it, it will be ruled accidental, Cawanna is on record with the police saying it was an accident so if she stays with that testimony the charges will be dropped. But if she decideds to go against that statement it opens up a whole other can of worms..... And no if he's charged with assult he could see jail time but he doubts he will

its always an accident.....

i bet next time it will be HER fault. :shakeno:

 

[Losman7]

Wouldn't the fact that it was in public have something to do with charges being pressed?

I mean, if this was in thier home, it wouldn't be an issue possibly...

but if i got into a fight witha friend in a parking lot, and neither of us pressed charges, wouldn't charges still be pressed?

 

[Krie30511]

Wouldn't the fact that it was in public have something to do with charges being pressed?

I mean, if this was in thier home, it wouldn't be an issue possibly...

but if i got into a fight witha friend in a parking lot, and neither of us pressed charges, wouldn't charges still be pressed?

only if it had a physical effect on the public.... If they were being beligerant to anyone or involving them in the situation.... now if people were being nosy they no.....but if they allow them to participate then yes....

 

[texasPHINSfan]

the only time you can hit a woman is if he has a weapon and inteds on beating the crap out of you.

and ill also ask, is that how you really feel? or are you just making a point?

if you caught your girl cheating on you, would you punch her in the face?? :shakeno:

we had a HUGE discussion about this in my social psychology class.... the problem is, that courtesy came about in the 1800's.... remember? women carried parasols with them, rode in coaches, men did everything for them. Women also didn't vote, couldn't own anything, belonged in the kitchen, and the best career a woman could hope for was to raise a lot of kids.

nowadays things have changed. just about the only thing separating a man and a woman (besides the obvious sexual organs) is how much one can bench over the other.... Women are now independent. How is it right for a woman to hit a man, but a man can't hit back?

we discussed this ad nauseum, and i won't bring up every point made in the class, but rest assured there were many. the end result was we were all in accordance that this "social law" was outdated.

Yes, you don't just go up to a female and hit her (just as you shouldn't go up to any guy and hit him). but if a female is acting up, or throwing fists first, she deserves it.

and to answer your girl cheating question, i'll answer it with another question: is it ok for a girl to punch YOU if she finds YOU cheating on her?

why do we have to have that double standard? if guy A will get prosecuted for hitting girl B, why wouldn't the reverse be true? society has this default belief that if a girl hits a guy he "deserved" it and can take it, but when a guy hits a girl its the end of the world.

this is BS, and if women want equality, they should get it on all levels, not just the ones that are favored to them.

 

[Ex-DolfanDaveInMI]

According to eyewitnesses and reported in this morning's newspapers, Randy threw a cellphone at Cawanna in the restaurant. The police investigation concluded that he was the "primary aggressor" in the assault.

Because there are eyewitnesses this time, I think it is less likely that Randy will be able to skate. The last time, without Cawanna's testimony, the district attorney had no case. This time, however, he can make the case with the people at the restaurant.

I believe Randy has cost himself a TON of money with this incident. I think teams (especially the post-Ricky Dolphins) will be leery of handing a $10 million signing bonus plus a $4 million average base salary to someone who has been involved in multiple domestic violence incidents. If the dollar figure on his contract isn't cut quite a bit, look for some exceedingly strict "morals" clauses that would allow a team to recoup the bonus money and slash the base salary if he acts up again.

 

[Krie30511]

According to eyewitnesses and reported in this morning's newspapers, Randy threw a cellphone at Cawanna in the restaurant. The police investigation concluded that he was the "primary aggressor" in the assault.

Because there are eyewitnesses this time, I think it is less likely that Randy will be able to skate. The last time, without Cawanna's testimony, the district attorney had no case. This time, however, he can make the case with the people at the restaurant.

I believe Randy has cost himself a TON of money with this incident. I think teams (especially the post-Ricky Dolphins) will be leery of handing a $10 million signing bonus plus a $4 million average base salary to someone who has been involved in multiple domestic violence incidents. If the dollar figure on his contract isn't cut quite a bit, look for some exceedingly strict "morals" clauses that would allow a team to recoup the bonus money and slash the base salary if he acts up again.

*link* i wanna read that article....

 

[ch19079]

we had a HUGE discussion about this in my social psychology class.... the problem is, that courtesy came about in the 1800's.... remember? women carried parasols with them, rode in coaches, men did everything for them. Women also didn't vote, couldn't own anything, belonged in the kitchen, and the best career a woman could hope for was to raise a lot of kids.

nowadays things have changed. just about the only thing separating a man and a woman (besides the obvious sexual organs) is how much one can bench over the other.... Women are now independent. How is it right for a woman to hit a man, but a man can't hit back?

we discussed this ad nauseum, and i won't bring up every point made in the class, but rest assured there were many. the end result was we were all in accordance that this "social law" was outdated.

Yes, you don't just go up to a female and hit her (just as you shouldn't go up to any guy and hit him). but if a female is acting up, or throwing fists first, she deserves it.

and to answer your girl cheating question, i'll answer it with another question: is it ok for a girl to punch YOU if she finds YOU cheating on her?

why do we have to have that double standard? if guy A will get prosecuted for hitting girl B, why wouldn't the reverse be true? society has this default belief that if a girl hits a guy he "deserved" it and can take it, but when a guy hits a girl its the end of the world.

this is BS, and if women want equality, they should get it on all levels, not just the ones that are favored to them.

very informative. and i wont get in to a long argument over this topic but...

IMO, a woman has no buisness hitting me. just as i have no buisness hitting her. whether she is "independent" or not. her rights or desire for equality does not include violence. you cant tell your wife, "you can get a job and be independent, but if you get out of line i get to smack you around".

for me, it all really goes back to the fact that most men are stronger than most women. and thats what makes it unacceptable.

but personally a woman has no buisness hitting me. and i have no buisness hitting her. if my girl hit me, thats the end of that. i make sure she knows thats not going to happen in our relationship. (though sometimes you just want to choke the hell out of her...).

 

[texasPHINSfan]

very informative. and i wont get in to a long argument over this topic but...

IMO, a woman has no buisness hitting me. just as i have no buisness hitting her. whether she is "independent" or not. her rights or desire for equality does not include violence. you cant tell your wife, "you can get a job and be independent, but if you get out of line i get to smack you around".

for me, it all really goes back to the fact that most men are stronger than most women. and thats what makes it unacceptable.

but personally a woman has no buisness hitting me. and i have no buisness hitting her. if my girl hit me, thats the end of that. i make sure she knows thats not going to happen in our relationship. (though sometimes you just want to choke the hell out of her...).

LoL, then we are in accordance.

i was not advocating hitting women - i was "advocating" equal rights & treatment, all the way across the board

 

[rafael]

She says she was hit by something as he threw it from their car.

A witness says he pushed her away from the car

Another witness said he hit her with a piece of cardboard.

WTF, where is there wife beating in here? Nowhere does it say, he balled up his fist and put it through her nose. If this had happened to you or me there is no chance in hell anyone gets charges put against them, but suddenly because he's some star he's a wifebeater? Get real. This is WAY blown out of proportion. If the victim doesn't press charges, the prosecution has no case. How would it look to a jury if 4 witnesses saw something different, and the victim isn't one testifying.

As far as it being compared to driving 110 MPH down a freeway while drunk, I think there are slight differences. Well, actually, they're completely different. If you can see ANY similiarities other than the cops were involved then you need your head examined. A minor domestic disturbance vs a car race that could have killed many people. Yeah, I can see the similiarities.

Some of you act like this is a murder trial. "The only thing that will save him". He'll end up at most paying $1000 fine or something stupid.

Your definition of wife beating is extremely limited as does not match the definition of domestic violence in any state. It doesn't matter whether he balled up his fist or not. A push is sufficient. Hitting your spouse with a piece of cardboard can be sufficient. In the end though I don't think the result will be more than a fine. Despite what at least one poster mentioned this is a 1st offense (charges were never filed in the other incident). The injury seems minor and may be the result of unintentional contact. The eye witness reports maybe contradictory. The wife won't be testifying. Even if charges are pressed (a big if) this will probably result in a plea bargain. I anticipate that RM will do whatever he can to avoid charges being pressed so he doesn't face some league mandated suspension.

 

[rafael]

A witness can't press charges. If Randy's wife doesn't want charges pressed against her husband, charges will not be pressed. It was a dispute between the two of them- no one else.

That's not true. The state can always press charges if it feels that a crime was committed in it's jurisdiction. The question is whether the prosecutor feels there is enough evidence to prove the crime.

 

[burger13]

Your definition of wife beating is extremely limited as does not match the definition of domestic violence in any state. It doesn't matter whether he balled up his fist or not. A push is sufficient. Hitting your spouse with a piece of cardboard can be sufficient. In the end though I don't think the result will be more than a fine. Despite what at least one poster mentioned this is a 1st offense (charges were never filed in the other incident). The injury seems minor and may be the result of unintentional contact. The eye witness reports maybe contradictory. The wife won't be testifying. Even if charges are pressed (a big if) this will probably result in a plea bargain. I anticipate that RM will do whatever he can to avoid charges being pressed so he doesn't face some league mandated suspension.

So if she pushed him in public, do you think that there would be any domestic vioolence issues??? :shakeno:

 

[rafael]

So if she pushed him in public, do you think that there would be any domestic vioolence issues??? :shakeno:

Yes, if there was an injury many states require their police to make an arrest.

 

[popularwar]

Wouldn't the fact that it was in public have something to do with charges being pressed?

I mean, if this was in thier home, it wouldn't be an issue possibly...

but if i got into a fight witha friend in a parking lot, and neither of us pressed charges, wouldn't charges still be pressed?

That would be disturbing the peace charges, I think. You just get fined for that but I think this case is different.