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[MDFINFAN]

Regarding the OL: It was bad but part of being a good Qb is getting rid of the ball quicker. Youre saying he had 2 seconds once he planted his foot to throw; well whats he doing when he dropping back? It wasnt surveying the field or that ball would be out and he'd be avoiding hits.

Part of the reason a Manning or a Brady or even a Delhomme is so effective is because they can process that information while theyre dropping back at a faster rate than a qb who cannot read and understand coverages and cannot process info nearly as quickly. The Qb's mentioned above do little things to help the confidence and ease the role of their OL's to make them look, in some cases, more effective then they are or have been that game or season.

You act as though our OL last year was the worst ever. Im by no stretch saying it was good but you know Aikman (1st few years), Brady (his 1st year), Phil Simms (at various points), etc all played behind bas OL's at various points. And theyre all the same classic dropback qb as Aj is. So why cant Aj just not make critical mistakes?

In conclusion I dont think Manning could have thrown 49 but I think he still would have had his yearly 30+ as he did for a few years in Indy when their OL was nothing special early on in his career. The difference between AJ and Manning ultimately comes down to skill level and the vast differences there. It comes down to the ability to process information at a ridiculous speed and being able to make adjustments and understanding why those adjustments work. I dont expect ANY QB we get to be Marino or Manning; thats simply not reseasonable. Just dont kill your own team with incredibly dumb mistakes by throwing the ball into coverages you obviously cant read; just throw it in the flat or something to a back or TE. Its better than throwing the ball wrong team.

Now my questions to you are: Why cant AJ read and process information? Why cant Aj develop touch on his passes? What is it that infatuates certain members of this and other boards with potential; what am i missing here? I watched every phin game; most of them 2-3x (which in some cases was torture as you can imagine). What does it take to realize that AJ has little if any upside? :confused:

Boik14, I simply asked a question based on what we all seem to agree on, that's all, I don't act like nothing...sorry...but in response to one of your points, brady, manning, don't read anything going back in their stance, they have all day to read once they get back there..have you been watching their games...when pressure is put on them, they do the same thing at aj did, throw int's...remember fast reading brady against us last year?

 

[gofins]

To answer your question, I think Manning would not have done as good......BUT......Manning would have done better than A.J. I think A.J. will do just fine if he ends up starting. (need to be pc)

 

[Boik14]

Boik14, I simply asked a question based on what we all seem to agree on, that's all, I don't act like nothing...sorry...but in response to one of your points, brady, manning, don't read anything going back in their stance, they have all day to read once they get back there..have you been watching their games...when pressure is put on them, they do the same thing at aj did, throw int's...remember fast reading brady against us last year?

And I only responded to that question.

Are you kidding? Those guys are processing every second theyre out there. Thats part of being a qb, seeing where you want to go with the ball and understanding where you can go with the ball. Much of that process takes place as the qb is dropping back and before the snap.

Brady: 1 bad game is what you judge him on? This is a guy whos had success against us in other games....

 

[Boik14]

its funny, because guys like MDFinFan always ignore that. In all the various camp reports it said that AJ still has problems when the play breaks down....so nothing has changed there. That he still locks onto his receiver. Yet Feeley huggers bring up the strong arm and the lack of oline, not once mentioning the lack of ability in reading defenses

Exactly. Its like they think that only wish Aj was doing poorly and in fact hes progressing just fine. Im not sure they realize we're phin fans too and had to watch that torture he put us through last year and that nothing seems to have changed.

But hey what do we know? We bash the home teams qb cause we think he stinks, which he does and we get jumped on for it....

 

[MDFINFAN]

And I only responded to that question.

Are you kidding? Those guys are processing every second theyre out there. Thats part of being a qb, seeing where you want to go with the ball and understanding where you can go with the ball. Much of that process takes place as the qb is dropping back and before the snap.

Brady: 1 bad game is what you judge him on? This is a guy whos had success against us in other games....

Brady's rating vs the fins is about .58...more than one bad game..if every team D played him like us..then he's be pretty bad..luckily for him he only plays us twice a year..but that's here are now..how do you think he'd do last year behind our OL? Stop trying to make this personal.

 

[MDFINFAN]

you apparently paid no attention to Saban at his PC when he said that he wanted to win every game. do you accomplish that by putting a sub-par player at one of the most important positions? No way in hell.

He will play the best players, end of story. He said it himself. He will not just play somebody because he thinks they may perform, he'll put players out there that will perform.

I'm listening, but I see his actions more...anyway that's not what this threat is about..I simply asked a question..and I've been attacked on that question..not because I took a stance...but for simply asking the question.

 

[MDFINFAN]

its funny, because guys like MDFinFan always ignore that. In all the various camp reports it said that AJ still has problems when the play breaks down....so nothing has changed there. That he still locks onto his receiver. Yet Feeley huggers bring up the strong arm and the lack of oline, not once mentioning the lack of ability in reading defenses

I haven't ignored anything, why are you personalizing it..it's a simply question..why attack me? I know AJ's weaknesses and I know his strenght on the short time I've seen him play. I will acknowledge his weaknesses..but that wasn't the purpose of this thread, it was to see what you guys think he could have done behind the OL, we all agreed was pretty bad. That's all this post was about..not all this other stuff you guys brought into it. As I've said those discussions have taken place on other threads..I wanted to look at the situation from a different perspective..namely what would you have done.

 

[Boik14]

Brady's rating vs the fins is about .58...more than one bad game..if every team D played him like us..then he's be pretty bad..luckily for him he only plays us twice a year..but that's here are now..how do you think he'd do last year behind our OL? Stop trying to make this personal.

How in the world did I make it personal? I only respnded to your question. Maybe you should quit being so sensitive when you get an answer you dont like. You act like like i totally bashed your post when all I did was respond in a manner conducive to the opinion and facts within that which I was trying to express.

I have 0 problem with you or anyone else as a poster other than the times people try and dance around the facts. In fact, I usually find myself agreeing with your opinions and finding your posts reasonably well written. The last thing this is, is personal.

 

[chrisjp]

I've read this board on QB play last year for many threats now..

1. We seem to all agree that OL play was terrible, heck even the OL agrees on that.

2. We all agree that we had no running game...and the stats, that I hate, bares that out..we were 31st..

3. We all agree that the QB's had less than 2 seconds once they planted their foot to throw...that's bared out by the fact that both starting QB's were knocked out for parts of the season with injuries. Our 3rd QB started the last game of the year it was so bad.

Now, my question, if it was that bad and we agree, what did you guys who bash AJ, and say no excuses for him and all that...really expect him to do behind that OL...Better question, what do you guys think P. Manning would have done? Can you guys answer both those questions for me? Thanks in advance...Remember, keep this to what those QBs could do behind last years OL, I already know what you think of AJ, so I'm not interested in that kind of answer...Bonus question, would P. Manning have thrown 49 TD's behind last year's Miami OL?

THANK YOU!! I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS!! AJ FEELEY HAS TALENT. NOW THE DOLPHINS HAVE TALENT. GIVE HIM A CHANCE. FORGET GUS. AJ WILL SUCCEED. PEYTON WOULD HAVE THROWN LOTS OF PICKS (49) WITH OUR LINE. DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE BROKEN JAW AGAINST THE DOLPHINS A FEW YEARS AGO!! GO AJ FEELEY!!

 

[MDFINFAN]

How in the world did I make it personal? I only respnded to your question. Maybe you should quit being so sensitive when you get an answer you dont like. You act like like i totally bashed your post when all I did was respond in a manner conducive to the opinion and facts within that which I was trying to express.

I have 0 problem with you or anyone else as a poster other than the times people try and dance around the facts. In fact, I usually find myself agreeing with your opinions and finding your posts reasonably well written. The last thing this is, is personal.

You keep saying I think this and I think that, then Dudeman agrees with you on a conversation that I've never had. I'm not dancing around facts, I'll answer the question I posed, but I asked you guys to answer it. You don't, you attack AJ, which as I've said has been done in other posts and not the intend in this thread. I've agreed with a lot of your stuff and don't think I think AJ is all that, I don't. But I honestly don't know what he's capable of. I really didn't get to see enough of him and I watch all of Miami's games last year. The O was so bad that I missed some of things he did, watching DL come right through as though there wasn't a OL in front of them...so I might have missed some of things you guys saw. I've played QB for flag teams, sandlot and others type of football games, won a lot of champinships I might add. I know when I don't have time, I sometimes look for my 1st choice real quick. Sometimes I forced the ball and the results weren't alway pretty, but when I had a little time, oh boy, I was D. Marino 2 , I'm not saying AJ is the answer, I just don't know right now...I guess I have problems with people who say he isn't..I try to find the reasoning behind their reasons and I don't get it. So knowing how much a QB has to do on the presnap..because I was a WR in hs and college, I know AJ gets his first read at the LOS..but then when he drops back, he had so many people in his face I wonder how he got the ball off, good or bad results. So I just wonder how people come to their conclusions based on last year. That's all..

 

[dominizzo]

I think the wolves have been scared away. Nice point of view. I don't care how talented a guy is, a QB simply can't operate efficiently under the circumstances of last year.

congrats 1000th post

 

[Boik14]

You keep saying I think this and I think that, then Dudeman agrees with you on a conversation that I've never had. I'm not dancing around facts, I'll answer the question I posed, but I asked you guys to answer it. You don't, you attack AJ, which as I've said has been done in other posts and not the intend in this thread. I've agreed with a lot of your stuff and don't think I think AJ is all that, I don't. But I honestly don't know what he's capable of. I really didn't get to see enough of him and I watch all of Miami's games last year. The O was so bad that I missed some of things he did, watching DL come right through as though there wasn't a OL in front of them...so I might have missed some of things you guys saw. I've played QB for flag teams, sandlot and others type of football games, won a lot of champinships I might add. I know when I don't have time, I sometimes look for my 1st choice real quick. Sometimes I forced the ball and the results weren't alway pretty, but when I had a little time, oh boy, I was D. Marino 2 , I'm not saying AJ is the answer, I just don't know right now...I guess I have problems with people who say he isn't..I try to find the reasoning behind their reasons and I don't get it. So knowing how much a QB has to do on the presnap..because I was a WR in hs and college, I know AJ gets his first read at the LOS..but then when he drops back, he had so many people in his face I wonder how he got the ball off, good or bad results. So I just wonder how people come to their conclusions based on last year. That's all..

So wait myself and Dudeman cant have a conversation without you? It wasnt about you specifically and nowhere were you called out so whats your beef bro?

As far as Aj, I only addressed his inadequacies and failures as a qb. As far as my thoughts/facts on AJ you dont need to approve and like I said man its not personal. You asked for opinions I put in my 2 cents along with everyone else.

As far as personal experiences ive played as well, and while I wont profess to have ever been the next great thing or anywhere close I did play Wr as a walkon @ Jr college and I know Qb is tough but these are pro's and theyre expected to be used to this type of pressure through years of training. Theyre supposed to be able to process these things quickly.

And as far as AJ, I hope he does succeed, i dont wish to see that pick wasted as i believe it is. But search as I do, I simply see no reason for optimism with him as a starter. Im not sorry if that doesnt please you or anyone else.

 

[djfresh47]

THANK YOU!! I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS!! AJ FEELEY HAS TALENT. NOW THE DOLPHINS HAVE TALENT. GIVE HIM A CHANCE. FORGET GUS. AJ WILL SUCCEED. PEYTON WOULD HAVE THROWN LOTS OF PICKS (49) WITH OUR LINE. DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE BROKEN JAW AGAINST THE DOLPHINS A FEW YEARS AGO!! GO AJ FEELEY!!

Turn the caps off. I'm not gonna say Aj does not have talent, every player in the league has talent. I think it's more the mental aspect of the game that he needs to get down. Just having the ability to throw the ball farther than any other Qb won't make you a good Qb, and ya just have to look at Jeff George who had one of the strongest, if not the strongest arm i've ever seen, you can also look at Vick, although he's a great player, not a great Qb. Saban is giving Feeley a chance, that's what I don't get when people bring that up, he has the chance to win the starting job and ya can't argue that. Gus played in the system, but he didn't play with the Chambers/Booker/McMike so i'm gonna say it's an even bet on whoever wins the job. I think comparing one of the smartest players in the league IMO, Manning to Feeley creates a difficult arguement for anybody to defend, because lets face it he's a HOF Qb and Aj is a guy who has to beat out Gus. Peyton struggled his 1st year but I believe went 13-3 his 2nd year as a starter and won the Afc East before the divisions were split up. The best thing that could happen for the franchise is Aj to win the job, i'll take my even bet and say Gus wins it cause I did not see enough in Aj to be a decent Qb. Alot of people ripped on Rodgers for being a Tedford guy, and say Harrington/Boller are the same way, but Feeley did play under Tedford so that whole arguement was ridiculous for Feeley. I personally think Boller and Harrington will have good years, and hopefully Aj will too, but I just look at the Bills and see Losman is gonna start, with a career backup who played well in a couple apperances in Holcomb there to be the backup, whats the difference? I think most fans would agree that just giving Aj the job would be a bad move, so what is the difference in the Bills situation than the Phins? I know age, but lets just stay away from that and go by experience. If ya want Aj to start, do you want him to start regardless, or do you want him to win the job? I want the best Qb possible to start, but I do understand what the Bills are doing with Losman. Also knowing much more about the Bills than most Bills fans, has Feeley been in Miami all offseason, like Losman? Has he been calling team meetings like Losman has? My point is Losman is establishing himself as a leader for the Bills, and I have not heard anything about the sort with Aj. It's been reported by people on this site tha Aj is not a good practice player, which will hurt his chances to win the job IMO. It really can't be argued what is best for the franchise in the long run, because that is Aj winning the job and being good, or else it puts the rebuilding process atleast a year back, but using my comparisions to the Bills, if the team goes 8-8/9-7, inspite of Aj like the Bills did last year inspite of Bledsoe what do you do with the Qb position? This question I ask for the people on the borderline like me not the guys who've got complete faith in Aj, or the people who believe he's a bum, but what would Saban do?

 

[MDFINFAN]

So wait myself and Dudeman cant have a conversation without you? It wasnt about you specifically and nowhere were you called out so whats your beef bro?

As far as Aj, I only addressed his inadequacies and failures as a qb. As far as my thoughts/facts on AJ you dont need to approve and like I said man its not personal. You asked for opinions I put in my 2 cents along with everyone else.

As far as personal experiences ive played as well, and while I wont profess to have ever been the next great thing or anywhere close I did play Wr as a walkon @ Jr college and I know Qb is tough but these are pro's and theyre expected to be used to this type of pressure through years of training. Theyre supposed to be able to process these things quickly.

And as far as AJ, I hope he does succeed, i dont wish to see that pick wasted as i believe it is. But search as I do, I simply see no reason for optimism with him as a starter. Im not sorry if that doesnt please you or anyone else.

You misread me, I said you guys had conversations, stating that I thought a certain way, when I hadn't put down how I thought in this thread..I have no beef with you either..I never take anything personal on this board..I'd be a nervous wreck if I did that...you have to be tough to hang here.. :D, I think by the number of posts I have, I don't mind the ribbing at all..Now back to your comments...see I can't say or think that the pick for him is wasted or even think it maybe because I haven't seen enough of him to make that judgement, you're farther along on that judgement than I..I won't ever try to take away your right to make an opinion..I will question it to get the fullest of explanations, just like you do me..that's only fair both ways. And as far as pleasing me, I don't know where I've asked you to do that? So I'm little unsure of what that sentence was for. Pro's are human and go through training periods just like anyone else, when you first learned a O, you didn't do everything exactly right, nor did you really understand the total intend of the person who drew up the play..that takes time and as you ran your routes, you started seeing the D and the purpose of the route more..you learned to make adjustment on the fly as you got more comfortable. It's the same with QB's, pro or little league..and that's why I said I haven't seen enough of AJ to make a judgement, he was learning the O, and now he's learning a new O..so yea, I expect some adjustment period...I do think when he get it, he will have it. Don't know why I feel that way, God knows he hasn't done enough to earn that trust..but I do see something in him..only time will tell..I'd say about 5 games in, if he gets that far or even starts.