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another question.....
at what number would you rank AJ out of the starting QBs?
(assuming he does indeed start)
at what number would you rank AJ out of the starting QBs?
(assuming he does indeed start)
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MDFINFAN said:
I don't remember Green Bay fans thinking the coach was nuts. Maybe the Atlanta fans for trading him after only one season.
Favre, as you pointed out, was a 1st round pick. That's what differentiates him from Feeley at the outset; basic ability. I watched Favre defeat a superior FSU team in Tallahassee in '89. Later in that season a Miami team loaded with talent, and that would win the national title, lost to FSU in Tallahassee 24-10. You can't find anything like the FSU win on Feeley's collegiate resume.
I don't mind comparisons as long as they smack of legitimacy. Trying to apologize for Feeley's lousy season in '04 by likening him to Brett Favre doesn't cut it. But as someone who is rooting for Frerotte I'll make a deal; if Feeley can match or better Favre's 6.85 yards per attempt (as listed above) this season then he has proven me wrong and earned the starting QB spot for the forseeable.
Best of luck on that one.
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tartan y fronts said:
Hard to say, I guess. He's gotta be better than that mess in Cleveland, but other than that, I can;t really see much. I guess Losman, being an unproven NFL player as of right now could be put behind him. There's a big mess in Tampa Bay right now too.
A lot has to be said for the poor line last season -- It's hard to gauge an accurate ranking for him based on that and that we haven't seen him in our new system. But even with a solid season this season, I'd see him jumping maybe only up to about 25th if he does good.
But there are hype QBs. The Aaron Brooks' and David Carr's of the world that have potential coming out of their ears but have yet to really correctly utilize it.
inFINSible
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Obviously, you'll just make up whatever fantasy scenario fits your argument.djfresh47 said:
So, you admit the coaches running this offense last year were a bunch of inept fools yet, you would have had Peyton try and save their jobs
I already see stupid threads like that.
inFINSible
Don't believe everything you think.
Marino had one of the best pass blocking lines in the history of football for most of his career. It was a little easier to "feel" the rush when it was only coming from one direction. How'd he do later in his career w/out Webb protecting his blindside?rafael said:
I agree that he doesn't know how/when to use touch on the ball but, the rest of what you said can be explained away through the lack of offensive protection and time for plays to develop. Now, before you go to the old, "he screwed up even when he had time' argument, that's also reasonably explained by saying that he may have gotten a little gun shy.
Getting smacked 20 times a game might make that internal clock roll like a gas pump.
We shall see this year.
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Can you imagine Peyton Manning getting slapped on the butt and having a seizure? Hell no. He wouldn't take that. He instills fear in those guys. If someone hit him in the butt, they'd get a whoopin'. And not just some behind the scenes 'idiot kicker' remark, he'd nail their behind to the middle of the damn field and start monkey humpin' them to a humiliating death. Muahaha.
And anyone remember when A.J. sprained his finger. It looked like he was staggering off the cross. He was dragging his legs, crawling, screaming, rolling, frolicking. That's no way to lead an offense!! I'd much rather have a guy who isn't afraid to run into a concrete reinforced wall and concuss himself in the most important game of his career.
And anyone remember when A.J. sprained his finger. It looked like he was staggering off the cross. He was dragging his legs, crawling, screaming, rolling, frolicking. That's no way to lead an offense!! I'd much rather have a guy who isn't afraid to run into a concrete reinforced wall and concuss himself in the most important game of his career.
inFINSible said:
Actually, I was going to go to the old "didn't show feel in Philly either". :D
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You say A.J. has no feel? His name is Feeley, lol. :rofl3:
Really, I liked some of the things I saw from A.J. last year, and I hated some of things he did as well. I think he started to play better (smarter) at the end of the year, and it helped that the o-line also was giving him a bit more time. I am no NFL scout or talent evaluator, I don't know what to look for in a QB that shows me that he has "it" and will be great. The history of the NFL is littered with players that had great potential but never lived up to it, and other players who came out of the blue and out performed everyone expectations. I like the heart that A.J. has, but I'm willing to let the coaches decide who makes us the best team wether it be A.J., Ferrotte, or Sage. Regardless of which way we go, I just want to see this team win some games again... we were spoiled after so many years of winning seasons and always being in the race, and being one of the worst teams in the NFL just sucks. I would rather see A.J. start, but if Ferrotte is better, or Sage is better, then they should start... I honestly feel that none of our current QB's are "the future" of this team, and I don't like having a QB who is another Fiedler, who won't win you the game, but won't lose you the game either... I want a leader who will do what it takes to win you games. In other words, I miss Dan. :cry:
Really, I liked some of the things I saw from A.J. last year, and I hated some of things he did as well. I think he started to play better (smarter) at the end of the year, and it helped that the o-line also was giving him a bit more time. I am no NFL scout or talent evaluator, I don't know what to look for in a QB that shows me that he has "it" and will be great. The history of the NFL is littered with players that had great potential but never lived up to it, and other players who came out of the blue and out performed everyone expectations. I like the heart that A.J. has, but I'm willing to let the coaches decide who makes us the best team wether it be A.J., Ferrotte, or Sage. Regardless of which way we go, I just want to see this team win some games again... we were spoiled after so many years of winning seasons and always being in the race, and being one of the worst teams in the NFL just sucks. I would rather see A.J. start, but if Ferrotte is better, or Sage is better, then they should start... I honestly feel that none of our current QB's are "the future" of this team, and I don't like having a QB who is another Fiedler, who won't win you the game, but won't lose you the game either... I want a leader who will do what it takes to win you games. In other words, I miss Dan. :cry:
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Everyone who whines about giving up a 2nd for Feeley assumes that with that 2nd we would have gotten someone better. The malice is unfounded because drafts are a crapshoot anyway.
What's done is done, get over it.
Looking at his performance last year without taking into account all the f'd up crap that was going on, too much to list, is not fair.
If he blows it this year we go shopping, but the best thing that can happen is he becomes successful as a starter. How could anyone want otherwise?
So pat down your swelling manginas about the 2nd and all the waa waa that's goes with it. Feeley's our guy unless he has a monumental f up, and if he does we'll get a QB next year.
What's done is done, get over it.
Looking at his performance last year without taking into account all the f'd up crap that was going on, too much to list, is not fair.
If he blows it this year we go shopping, but the best thing that can happen is he becomes successful as a starter. How could anyone want otherwise?
So pat down your swelling manginas about the 2nd and all the waa waa that's goes with it. Feeley's our guy unless he has a monumental f up, and if he does we'll get a QB next year.
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Dudeman said:
Here's the thing. If Gus starts, it's another wasted year for this team. Frerotte is a below average NFL QB on the downside of a lackluster career. He is not part of the team's future, and is not going to get any better. At least with AJ, he still has potential to develop into a better than average QB. If Gus starts, we're just treading water, like we have been for the last 10 years. I want the team to move forward and get better. Therefore, I want AJ to start, and I'm going to root for him to become a good player. If AJ proves to not be the guy for this team, then it likely means another 3-5 years of mediocrity. Gus is not going to lead us anywhere. So, that means we have to get a young QB, wait for him to develop, and replace all our aging defenders before we'll be a legitimate contender.
Awsi Dooger said:
That's my whole point..Farve was a number 1 pick, traded his 2nd year. That would generally give people plause right there. His very first pass as a Falcon was for a TD, to the other team. He didn't start and wasn't even in the plans..that's usually a busted first round pick. The assist. coaches for GB did have some concerns about trading for Bret. He didn't exactly come over and blow their socks off. Remember he wasn't even the starter when he got traded. They looked at him as a project...but as faith will have it, the starter got hurt and Bret was forced into the lineup...by the end of the year, they saw enough in him to keep him as the starter. AJ didn't get as many games as Bret, but showed the same progression of less errors and more good throws as the season progressed..didn't hurt his team and didn't totally lead them either. Bret Farve part 2. But more to the point AJ did this behine a OL that was far worst than that of BF. I think BF would have stunk the place up last year behind our OL.
inFINSible
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Well, I just think you're wrong about that. :tongue:rafael said:
Feeley's problems in Philly were dropped passes #1 (same problem he has here, due to his lack of touch) I counted 7 drops in the Dallas game alone and it was a repeated problem every single game. I won't blame dropped passes completely on the QB, especially when the only ones that I counted as dropped passes were the ones that the receivers got two hands on the ball.Feeley may need to learn to throw a little softer sometimes but, they're getting paid to catch the ball. the other problem he had in Philly was looking-off the safety. 3 of his 5 picks were from not seeing the safety roaming the middle of the field.
He was NOT a deer in the headlights and as a matter of fact, he was praised for the poise that he showed and competitive intensity that he displayed. I remember one time he got in the refs face about his recevers being held....this was after he threw a 20 yard completion.....in his first game starting.
He was not sacked all the time and he didn't hold the ball too long. He actually looked like a young QB with some good upside. In other words, nothing like he looked last year.
I look forward to seeing THAT QB (the one that some Philly fans thought should have kept D-Mac on the bench when he was healthy again) again this season.
I know, I'm not going to change your mind. I'm not even trying to. I'm just giving my opinion of what I saw out of him, and just the same as you, it's not going to change because of anything that somebody else says on this MB.
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MDFINFAN said:I've read this board on QB play last year for many threats now..
I'm not sure about Feeley's future with the team, but whoever is posting threats on the message board should be reported to the monitor.