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[finfansince72]

Peyton would have made us a playoff team. He calls plays, something no one with a pulse would allow Feeley to do. Peyton would have read defenses and beat teams. With our defense Peyton wouldnt have needed to throw 49tds. 1 or 2 a game would have been suffcient. I cannot stand it when people act like every other Qb would have failed last year, its absurd. Part of the problem with the Oline and Rb was that our passing game was a joke and defenses didnt even have to defend it. No one was worried about AJ beating a blitz. Once Peyton zipped 2 td's in the first quarter past blitzes they would have stopped doing it.

 

[Dolphin North]

I've read this board on QB play last year for many threats now..

1. We seem to all agree that OL play was terrible, heck even the OL agrees on that.

2. We all agree that we had no running game...and the stats, that I hate, bares that out..we were 31st..

3. We all agree that the QB's had less than 2 seconds once they planted their foot to throw...that's bared out by the fact that both starting QB's were knocked out for parts of the season with injuries. Our 3rd QB started the last game of the year it was so bad.

Now, my question, if it was that bad and we agree, what did you guys who bash AJ, and say no excuses for him and all that...really expect him to do behind that OL...Better question, what do you guys think P. Manning would have done? Can you guys answer both those questions for me? Thanks in advance...Remember, keep this to what those QBs could do behind last years OL, I already know what you think of AJ, so I'm not interested in that kind of answer...Bonus question, would P. Manning have thrown 49 TD's behind last year's Miami OL?

IMHO, Manning would have been punded and never would have fifnished the season behind our line. He may not have thrown 29 behind our line, and in our offense, may not have thrown 19 and that's a fact. A great Qb still needs help around him and it starts with at least adequate blocking.

 

[Dudeman]

Exactly. Even though Feeley is 26 or 27 yrs old, he has only had 1 chance. He still has lots of upside...period!

Feeley is 28.....

and by you using the youth logic, Brock will be 24 and has had 0 chances....so he has a lot of upside as well

the same goes for Sage. he is only 27, and has arguably more upside than any QB on this team, and has been stuck basically riding scout team his entire career.


Face it, whether someone has "potential" means nothing. Saban is not going to play somebody just because he's younger or has more "potential", he will play the best player at every position. Hell, Gordon was traded for a third, do you see Saban starting him just because he may have "potential"? Uh, no.....Why is it so hard for people to understand that?

 

[gofins]

I've read this board on QB play last year for many threats now..

1. We seem to all agree that OL play was terrible, heck even the OL agrees on that.

2. We all agree that we had no running game...and the stats, that I hate, bares that out..we were 31st..

3. We all agree that the QB's had less than 2 seconds once they planted their foot to throw...that's bared out by the fact that both starting QB's were knocked out for parts of the season with injuries. Our 3rd QB started the last game of the year it was so bad.

Now, my question, if it was that bad and we agree, what did you guys who bash AJ, and say no excuses for him and all that...really expect him to do behind that OL...Better question, what do you guys think P. Manning would have done? Can you guys answer both those questions for me? Thanks in advance...Remember, keep this to what those QBs could do behind last years OL, I already know what you think of AJ, so I'm not interested in that kind of answer...Bonus question, would P. Manning have thrown 49 TD's behind last year's Miami OL?

Noticed your age. Did you get your parent's permission to join and post?:D

 

[MDFINFAN]

Noticed your age. Did you get your parent's permission to join and post?:D

No, I'm sneaking these posts in..gotta go, moms coming up the stairs..

 

[MDFINFAN]

Feeley is 28.....

and by you using the youth logic, Brock will be 24 and has had 0 chances....so he has a lot of upside as well

the same goes for Sage. he is only 27, and has arguably more upside than any QB on this team, and has been stuck basically riding scout team his entire career.


Face it, whether someone has "potential" means nothing. Saban is not going to play somebody just because he's younger or has more "potential", he will play the best player at every position. Hell, Gordon was traded for a third, do you see Saban starting him just because he may have "potential"? Uh, no.....Why is it so hard for people to understand that?

If Saban had drafted the utah QB at the #2 draft spot, I bet he would be starting, reqardless of who did better in TC... :shakeno:

 

[Dudeman]

If Saban had drafted the utah QB at the #2 draft spot, I bet he would be starting, reqardless of who did better in TC... :shakeno:

doubtful......was Lewis pressured to play Palmer, who was the #1 overall.....nope

would Alex have started if he proved better than Gus or AJ? yes, but he definitely wouldnt be better than Gus right now

 

[MDFINFAN]

doubtful......was Lewis pressured to play Palmer, who was the #1 overall.....nope

would Alex have started if he proved better than Gus or AJ? yes, but he definitely wouldnt be better than Gus right now

I think Saban would have put him out there and let him learn from get go..if he's your franchise QB, and you have questions about the other QB's..why wait..I bet that would have been his rationale.

If the OL stinks up the place like last year, he'd get the same results as the other QB's, then what would ppl say, he's a bust????? Then what, we draft another QB?

 

[dolfanmark]

Peyton would have made us a playoff team. He calls plays, something no one with a pulse would allow Feeley to do. Peyton would have read defenses and beat teams. With our defense Peyton wouldnt have needed to throw 49tds. 1 or 2 a game would have been suffcient. I cannot stand it when people act like every other Qb would have failed last year, its absurd. Part of the problem with the Oline and Rb was that our passing game was a joke and defenses didnt even have to defend it. No one was worried about AJ beating a blitz. Once Peyton zipped 2 td's in the first quarter past blitzes they would have stopped doing it.

Peyton would not have been calling plays in our system. Until Bates took over and made changes late in the season, QBs were not allowed to change the play at the line of scrimmage, even when they read blitz. There was a big uproar when it was discovered last season that our offensive plan for beating the blitz was for McKinney to call out blocking changes and that everyone else just ran the play that was called in the huddle. This was one of things that AJ complained about during training camp, and got himself in Wannstedt's doghouse for. Oh, and a pretty experienced former NFL WR who played for us, Cris Carter, went on Inside the NFL on HBO and stated that no QB could succeed in the Dolphins' offensive system. He said the Dolphins' offensive scheme had no hot reads for blitzes, and was so bad that it would make even Dan Marino look mediocre.

 

[Boik14]

I've read this board on QB play last year for many threats now..

1. We seem to all agree that OL play was terrible, heck even the OL agrees on that.

2. We all agree that we had no running game...and the stats, that I hate, bares that out..we were 31st..

3. We all agree that the QB's had less than 2 seconds once they planted their foot to throw...that's bared out by the fact that both starting QB's were knocked out for parts of the season with injuries. Our 3rd QB started the last game of the year it was so bad.

Now, my question, if it was that bad and we agree, what did you guys who bash AJ, and say no excuses for him and all that...really expect him to do behind that OL...Better question, what do you guys think P. Manning would have done? Can you guys answer both those questions for me? Thanks in advance...Remember, keep this to what those QBs could do behind last years OL, I already know what you think of AJ, so I'm not interested in that kind of answer...Bonus question, would P. Manning have thrown 49 TD's behind last year's Miami OL?

Regarding the OL: It was bad but part of being a good Qb is getting rid of the ball quicker. Youre saying he had 2 seconds once he planted his foot to throw; well whats he doing when he dropping back? It wasnt surveying the field or that ball would be out and he'd be avoiding hits.

Part of the reason a Manning or a Brady or even a Delhomme is so effective is because they can process that information while theyre dropping back at a faster rate than a qb who cannot read and understand coverages and cannot process info nearly as quickly. The Qb's mentioned above do little things to help the confidence and ease the role of their OL's to make them look, in some cases, more effective then they are or have been that game or season.

You act as though our OL last year was the worst ever. Im by no stretch saying it was good but you know Aikman (1st few years), Brady (his 1st year), Phil Simms (at various points), etc all played behind bas OL's at various points. And theyre all the same classic dropback qb as Aj is. So why cant Aj just not make critical mistakes?

In conclusion I dont think Manning could have thrown 49 but I think he still would have had his yearly 30+ as he did for a few years in Indy when their OL was nothing special early on in his career. The difference between AJ and Manning ultimately comes down to skill level and the vast differences there. It comes down to the ability to process information at a ridiculous speed and being able to make adjustments and understanding why those adjustments work. I dont expect ANY QB we get to be Marino or Manning; thats simply not reseasonable. Just dont kill your own team with incredibly dumb mistakes by throwing the ball into coverages you obviously cant read; just throw it in the flat or something to a back or TE. Its better than throwing the ball wrong team.

Now my questions to you are: Why cant AJ read and process information? Why cant Aj develop touch on his passes? What is it that infatuates certain members of this and other boards with potential; what am i missing here? I watched every phin game; most of them 2-3x (which in some cases was torture as you can imagine). What does it take to realize that AJ has little if any upside? :confused:

 

[Dudeman]

I think Saban would have put him out there and let him learn from get go..if he's your franchise QB, and you have questions about the other QB's..why wait..I bet that would have been his rationale.

If the OL stinks up the place like last year, he'd get the same results as the other QB's, then what would ppl say, he's a bust????? Then what, we draft another QB?

you apparently paid no attention to Saban at his PC when he said that he wanted to win every game. do you accomplish that by putting a sub-par player at one of the most important positions? No way in hell.

He will play the best players, end of story. He said it himself. He will not just play somebody because he thinks they may perform, he'll put players out there that will perform.

 

[Dudeman]

What is it that infatuates certain members of this and other boards with potential; what am i missing here?

he was traded for a 2nd, so he must be good

btw, I believe David Carr was by far and away the most sacked QB in his first 3 years.....then Texans line was 100x worse than ours

 

[Boik14]

he was traded for a 2nd, so he must be good

btw, I believe David Carr was by far and away the most sacked QB in his first 3 years.....then Texans line was 100x worse than ours

Hmm silly me. I guess the difference really might be skill level and understanding how to read defenses. i dont know what i could have been thinking? :confused:

 

[Dudeman]

Hmm silly me. I guess the difference really might be skill level and understanding how to read defenses. i dont know what i could have been thinking? :confused:

its funny, because guys like MDFinFan always ignore that. In all the various camp reports it said that AJ still has problems when the play breaks down....so nothing has changed there. That he still locks onto his receiver. Yet Feeley huggers bring up the strong arm and the lack of oline, not once mentioning the lack of ability in reading defenses

 

[gofins]

No, I'm sneaking these posts in..gotta go, moms coming up the stairs..

actually lol!!!