Raja Bell suspended

[clif]

Nash, why not blame your boneheaded teammate and your lack of control of the ball late in games for your team's collapse rather than the refs and Kobe. Come on Stevie, we all thought you were better than that.

Hmmmm yeah the refs had nothing to do with it

BTW, Raja screwed up and deserved a suspension, but I blame this on the league and the horrible officiating that continually goes on in the NBA. They are the ones that needed to take control of this series long ago.

 

[Metal Panda]

only 8 team have ever came back being down 3games

The Suns were only down 2.

and the Pistons came back from 3-1 against the Magic back in 2003, so it's happened recently.

 

[Samphin]

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Hmmmm yeah the refs had nothing to do with it

BTW, Raja screwed up and deserved a suspension, but I blame this on the league and the horrible officiating that continually goes on in the NBA. They are the ones that needed to take control of this series long ago.

That doesn't quite work, considering Walton doesn't have his hands on the ball there.

 

[Metal Panda]

The point is that it doesnt matter what he did. No harm came from it other than his suspension and whatever effect that is going to have on the Suns as a team. You are deliberately attempting to alter the outcome of a game based on the actions of an individual. I can understand suspensions in meaningless regular season games but in the playoffs its uncalled for. Its not the player thats being punished, its the team and the fans.

that's silly. Basing the punishment on the net result is ridiculous. If two players take intentional cheap shots at other opponents, and due to some fluke of God, one of the players winds up being alright, and the other one gets seriously injured...why should they not both be punished? It shouldn't MATTER whether the player wound up injured as a result.

To think in that scenario, a player would get off unscathed solely because a stroke of luck kept his victim from landing the wrong way is laughable. Playoffs or not. If the player doesn't want to get suspended, perhaps he shouldn't act like a jerkoff on the court.

 

[Samphin]

The point is that it doesnt matter what he did. No harm came from it other than his suspension and whatever effect that is going to have on the Suns as a team. You are deliberately attempting to alter the outcome of a game based on the actions of an individual. I can understand suspensions in meaningless regular season games but in the playoffs its uncalled for. Its not the player thats being punished, its the team and the fans.

This isn't hockey. Enforcers are not allowed to clobber the other teams players and get away with it by saying "no harm, no foul." The fact is, Raja attacked Kobe, and is being punished for it. By your logic, Raja could have pulled out a gun, tried to shoot Kobe, miss and still be able to play in game 6. Sorry, no. Raja's motives and intent were clear and that factors into the decision.

I am sorry, the fact that it affects the Suns doesn't really come into play here. Nor should it. If Smush Parker did this to Nash, I would expect the same treatment. Would you be coming to his defense then? Would you be saying how the refs are deliberately changing the outcomes?

The league did the right thing here. End of story. Raja purposely tried to hurt another player. Playoffs or no, you simply canot do that. Why is that so hard for some of you to understand?

 

[Ferretsquig]

I'm sorry you feel this way.And who's to blame for putting his team in this position? So let me see if I got this right,if he had hurt Kobe(which affects "his"team)then it's ok to suspend someone.If the NBA let this kind of stuff "slide" with no repercussions then teams would go back to when they had "enforcers"(guys like Maurice Lucas and Rick Mahorn)that would intimidate players with "hardfouls".

Well I for one am sick of the officiating. I never said that the guy should be let off. Fine him....suspend him for a month in the regular season if you want to....just not in the deciding game of a playoff series. Personally I think suspending a guy every time he dishes out some punishment is asinine. If you can prove without a doubt he intended to injure the player then suspend him. But I doubt that was the real intent of Bell, Posey, or Evans.

This path the NBA has taken is just the wrong one. They have become extrememly overprotective of their stars.....to a point where they are unguardable. Seriously....what would Jordan have done if he wasnt allowed to lay his hands on the guy he was guarding? Its just reached an absurd level. Let the guys play.

 

[Metal Panda]

Well I for one am sick of the officiating. I never said that the guy should be let off. Fine him....suspend him for a month in the regular season if you want to....just not in the deciding game of a playoff series.

haha, I love how you attach all these riders to when a player should be suspended.

"If Player A Hits Player B Maliciously With the Intent to Harm, but It's Game 7, Let It Slide".

"If Player A Stabs Player B, But It's The Finals, It's Just Emotion, Let Them Play Through"

 

[Ferretsquig]

The league did the right thing here. End of story. Raja purposely tried to hurt another player. Playoffs or no, you simply canot do that. Why is that so hard for some of you to understand?

No he wasnt trying to purposefully hurt Kobe. Thats easy to do. I dont think hes really so stupid that he would try to injure a player by clobbering him with the forearm. If you want to injure a guy you pull a Bruce Bowen and step on their foot when they are trying to drive or hit them when they are off balance.

 

[Ferretsquig]

haha, I love how you attach all these riders to when a player should be suspended.

"If Player A Hits Player B Maliciously With the Intent to Harm, but It's Game 7, Let It Slide".

"If Player A Stabs Player B, But It's The Finals, It's Just Emotion, Let Them Play Through"

.....you would think people that post on a message board would be literate. nm finally figured out what this ignore thing is for.

 

[Samphin]

Well I for one am sick of the officiating. I never said that the guy should be let off. Fine him....suspend him for a month in the regular season if you want to....just not in the deciding game of a playoff series. Personally I think suspending a guy every time he dishes out some punishment is asinine. If you can prove without a doubt he intended to injure the player then suspend him. But I doubt that was the real intent of Bell, Posey, or Evans.

This path the NBA has taken is just the wrong one. They have become extrememly overprotective of their stars.....to a point where they are unguardable. Seriously....what would Jordan have done if he wasnt allowed to lay his hands on the guy he was guarding? Its just reached an absurd level. Let the guys play.

So, what do you think Reggie Evans intentions were when he grabbed Kaman? He wasn't just introducing himself. His intent was to hurt Kaman. Same with Tinker Bell and Kobe. Tinker Bell stated before the game that he was going to basically punch Kobe in the face, then, proceeded to make Hulk Hogan jealous on National TV for everyone to see. It wasn't a retialition attack or even a reactionary one. It was a calculated, premeditated attack that could have done serious harm.

Then, after he hooked Kobe and thre whim to the ground, he walked over the the Laker bench saying it was their foul while laughing and smiling. Afterwards, he gave a fake apology and then turned around and said he might have done it again if the situation had to be played out. What is that? Then today he starts with the name calling. He is a punk and it is pretty clear that he did it on purpose and what is intent was.

 

[Metal Panda]

.....you would think people that post on a message board would be literate. nm finally figured out what this ignore thing is for.

Wow, you show a lot of confidence in your opinion. Rather than defend it, you ignore all opposition. Ever thought of working for the Church?

Seriously, your posts were implying (note the word imply...you may not have said that literally, but that's what your context suggested) that the importance of a game and whether or not the player was injured as a result of the violent act should have direct bearing on whether or not a player is suspended. And that's ludicrous. Just because a player doesn't wind up with a severed spinal cord doesn't lessen the impact of the act.

If that's not what you meant to imply, then perhaps you should learn how to better express yourself, because it's there, clear as day.

 

[bullseyeguy]

So, what do you think Reggie Evans intentions were when he grabbed Kaman? He wasn't just introducing himself. His intent was to hurt Kaman. Same with Tinker Bell and Kobe. Tinker Bell stated before the game that he was going to basically punch Kobe in the face, then, proceeded to make Hulk Hogan jealous on National TV for everyone to see. It wasn't a retialition attack or even a reactionary one. It was a calculated, premeditated attack that could have done serious harm.

Then, after he hooked Kobe and thre whim to the ground, he walked over the the Laker bench saying it was their foul while laughing and smiling. Afterwards, he gave a fake apology and then turned around and said he might have done it again if the situation had to be played out. What is that? Then today he starts with the name calling. He is a punk and it is pretty clear that he did it on purpose and what is intent was.

Can I get a link to what Raja said before the game, because I havent found anything on it anywhere...And the reason he called out to the bench was based on what Jackson said, that"Raja deserved getting fouled by Kobe" I quoted it in one of these threads..

 

[clif]

does anyone actually think he tried to hurt Kobe? Don't you think he would have done a better job at doing so? Maybe a scratch, a cut, a bruise something. Stupid move on his part but I don't think the intention was to injure.

 

[Metal Panda]

Even if it wasn't a conscious decision, more than likely subconsciously he wanted to do so.

 

[clif]

That doesn't quite work, considering Walton doesn't have his hands on the ball there.

Yeah because he had his hand on Nash's wrists as he was fouling him.