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Ray Farmer on M&M today

Vaark said:
Yeah, trading out of 2 potential franchise receivers to drop back and take a good CB but one on some drafts that still ranked 3 or 4 out of a bunch of good ones despite knowing for the last 2weeks he'd be without two receivers and then using one of those picks to trade up to 22 (in the proud Cleveland tradition of Weeden and Quinn) to draft a QB with character concerns (as RG3 has demonstrated) is only as good against college competition as his legs were healthy (quite likely acceding to his crooked possibly soon to be indicted owner to sell seats and jerseys). And stilll throughout the draft with a great 2nd tier of receivers, still not drafting any to fill the void in the middle rounds. But I guess that fits with his philosophy cuz there's no way you should draft receivers to push the one or two worth a damn who aren't on the field, eh? IMO he could have been making these decisions for us, so we dodged a major bullet. I'll admit I didn't want Hickey, but I sure as hell didn't want Farmer either!
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I certainly believe Farmer could have chosen better, but my liking was to his quote not his picking. Hickey chose a lot of small time school guys, captains of their teams. Possibly due to their heart in playing. These guys made it to the NFL, I don't doubt they're going to come in here looking to take some jobs. Competition, it's gonna be great.
 
zach attach said:
Nowhere early. How about the 5th when we took Lynch at 155? 163, and 164 were Murray and McCarron.
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Because we'll get more use out of Lynch than we would out of 2 guys who probably can't play QB at the NFL level. There's no reason to draft a backup QB unless he's going to be a future replacement.
 
Tannehill would have been the 1st QB taken in this draft and you think using a 5th round pick on a guy who may compete with Moore for the back-up spot to push Tannehill...
 
zach attach said:
I certainly believe Farmer could have chosen better, but my liking was to his quote not his picking. Hickey chose a lot of small time school guys, captains of their teams. Possibly due to their heart in playing. These guys made it to the NFL, I don't doubt they're going to come in here looking to take some jobs. Competition, it's gonna be great.
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My point is that whether Hickey overreached or not for James, the best of the rest, he recognized the glaring need and if choosing earlier would have surely taken one of the top 4. Farmer, on the other hand, despite this asserted philosophy knew he needed one or two receivers for a few weeks, could have had Watkins or Evans, but instead traded down for one of 4 basically indistinguishable corners, ignored the glaring need, not only in the first and second round, but throughout the draft. Given the absence of Gordon, the broken arm of burleson, the relatively inactive FA stockpiling of respectable receivers, if Hickey had a chance for two game breakers and then a bunch of potentiial gamebreaking wideouts and ignored that need throughout the whole draft, you don't think that this forum would have spontaneously combusted? No matter what party line Farmer espouses, that's just severe incompetence!

 
I've got faith in Hickey until I'm shown to be wrong. Offseason he scored well, and the draft is yet to be determined. If we were in Farmer's position, and Hickey skipped on Watkins, there would have been a revolt on Fins HQ.
 
righttttt after 2 years of improvement from the QB what the team really needs is QB competition.
 
slk018 said:
Zach, you aren't a newbie..You should know anything other than saying Tannehill is great and making excuses for anymistakes he makes is blasphemy around here!!
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GTFO. Tannehill is just as open to fair criticism as the next player.
 
Tannehill had the worst group of WRs in the NFL as a rookie, he had the worst OL in the NFL as a 2nd year starter.

Let's put an average set of WRs and OL on the team in front of him at least once before we judge him. God forbid he should ever play with the talent around him Manning, Brady, Brees, Kaepernick, Wilson, Luck, Griffin, Ryan or Flacco have had.

No team has put a poorer team around its young QB perhaps other than last year's Jets, than the Dolphins have the last two years. We don't know what we have.

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Tannehill had the worst group of WRs in the NFL as a rookie, he had the worst OL in the NFL as a 2nd year starter.

Let's put an average set of WRs and OL on the team in front of him at least once before we judge him. God forbid he should ever play with the talent around him Manning, Brady, Brees, Kaepernick, Wilson, Luck, Griffin, Ryan or Flacco have had.

No team has put a poorer team around its young QB perhaps other than last year's Jets, than the Dolphins have the last two years. We don't know what we have.
 
zach attach said:
He sais something very true that has to do with our current team. He said he wanted to draft guys that are on the heels of the starters, and draft guys on the heels of those guys. Always pushing.
So I instantly thought of Wallace and Tannehill. Wallace has a visible look of "I'm number one, and my pay reflects it." He nneds to be pushed hard to make those tough catches and leap for the ball. Right now, he has no fear of replacement.
Tannehill knows he's the man at QB. I can't stand this. For the past 2 seasons and this current off season it's all "I'm coming in early, working hard, and staying late." Well that's fine but we are still 8-8 with a QB -who I like-that can't escape a collapsing pocket with his WR speed and agility. He needs competition too.
An example should be set if this team is serious in camp competition this year. We want guys biting at the heels of the starters. We want urgency in their play. I don't want anyone feeling safe. Thoughts?
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As I've gotten older I've shed the idea of favorite players and things of that sort. I'm team-first. So I kind've side with the idea of always pushing players and making them earn it, so in that sense I agree with Farmer.
 
Farmer drafted Manziel. The guy obviously doesn't take his new job very seriously.
 
beanh8er said:
Didn't he beat out David Garrard and Matt Moore?
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Debatable. Garrard got hurt, but seriously was he ever really a threat? Nobody anywhere in the league has even considered giving that guy starting snaps since his short-lived tenure here. Moore was asked to pick up what his 6-7th different offense by a regime that didn't originally bring him on board.

They drafted Ryan at #8, he already knew most of the offense, fans were clamoring, and the good old boy relationship between Taylor/Sherman/Philbin it was fairly obvious who was going to start. In theory the transition shaped up easier than drafting a guy into a brand new offense and all new coaching staff.
 
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