Reality Check on Jordan

[grogan12]

there's no reason that jordan worst case couldn't be for us what jamie collins is for new england...and collins is a stud in the making...the only thing that plays against him in that type of role worst case scenario would be jordans height...6 ft 7 is awfully tall for leverage plays at lb

not that miami is gonna ask him to be a jamie collins...the weight gain this offseason pretty much told you the lb stuff for now at least is out and all the trade talk with philly was bs...you don't add weight to his frame to play a 34 olb...not 17 lbs anyways

at any rate whatever jordan was worth this last offseason has dropped right now with this 4 game suspension and one more strike and you are out for a year stuff and i doubt miami would get any more good return if we did put him on the block...barring a major sack production season in 12 games when he returns in which case miami wouldn't trade him in the first place

Worst case??? Sorry but you should be hoping and praying he comes close to the player Collins became by the end of last year. For you to think that Jordan's worst down side is what Jamie Collins is, comical, Jordan played basically a full season of saps and never once looked like anything like Collins did in limited playing time.

 

[hoops]

Worst case??? Sorry but you should be hoping and praying he comes close to the player Collins became by the end of last year. For you to think that Jordan's worst down side is what Jamie Collins is, comical, Jordan played basically a full season of saps and never once looked like anything like Collins did in limited playing time.

you don't understand what i was saying boss...collins is a damn good talent and player but he plays a lb in the pats system and is very good in coverage also...both of which in a worst case scenario jordan could do for us...if he failed at de

basically it's a fallback option...we could use him similarly to collins...you got one thing right though collins is a player and frankly your staff sat on his talent too long last year anyways...he should have played over some of those pedestrian athletes from the jump

ideal scenario though jordan gets drafted by a 34 team to play a 34 olb and the weight gain doesnt matter as much and he's an every down player from the get go...instead we are gonna try and force something by making him a 43 de and see if he can play every down...for now

if this fails barring a trade which we will get no bang for our buck return on they will try him at lb...and ask him to drop weight

at any rate the point was we could use him in a similar fashion to what the pats do with jamie collins and jordan is every bit the athlete collins is in a bigger package...

 

[grogan12]

you don't understand what i was saying boss...collins is a damn good talent and player but he plays a lb in the pats system and is very good in coverage also...both of which in a worst case scenario jordan could do for us...if he failed at de

basically it's a fallback option...we could use him similarly to collins...you got one thing right though collins is a player and frankly your staff sat on his talent too long last year anyways...he should have played over some of those pedestrian athletes from the jump

ideal scenario though jordan gets drafted by a 34 team to play a 34 olb and the weight gain doesnt matter as much and he's an every down player from the get go...instead we are gonna try and force something by making him a 43 de and see if he can play every down...for now

if this fails barring a trade which we will get no bang for our buck return on they will try him at lb...and ask him to drop weight

at any rate the point was we could use him in a similar fashion to what the pats do with jamie collins and jordan is every bit the athlete collins is in a bigger package...

I get what your saying, although I still think it's a stretch to assume Jordan can do what Collins can at lb, Maybe, maybe not, maybe some place in between? It's really the same thing the Jets are trying to do with their out of position DE . Generally speaking when teams try and fit a player into a new position it rarely works out. Although if your looking for positive example of it, the Pats did make it work with Willie Mcginest, he will be remembered as a Hall of Famer now, but for the first few years he was a bust that wasn't big enough o play end, and too slow to play lb. They basically had to create a new position for him before he took off.

 

[Phins117]

Never trade away talent, learn from Marshall and WELKER.


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[grogan12]

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Talent isn't hype on a scouting summary, it produces on the field, Jordan hasn't. He wouldn't be he first top ten draft pick to look like Tarzan and play like Jane, nor would he be the last.

 

[BlueFin]

I think your overall summary is too negative but I completely agree with this aspect. If we rely on Jordan's pass coverage skills we might as well pack up and forfeit. Not only is it a handful of plays but the opposition has to salivate at the prospect of taking advantage. The Patriots successfully pick agile cornerbacks and safeties who have been in coverage all their lives. Imagine setting up a design to pick a 6-6 guy with tunnel vision.

When it blows up, it will be a spectacular failure. Let's put it that way. It might be valuable tonic.

Jordan isn't a run stopper or a pass coverer. He's a rush guy with some disruptive traits who arguably fits best outside in a 3-4.

I'm intrigued by him but like so many of our players I have no idea how he ended up as a premium draft pick instead of a 2nd or 3rd round gamble. If we continue to take running backs who redshirted in college at #2 (Ronnie Brown), quarterbacks who never started a college season opener until beyond their 23rd birthday at #8 (Ryan Tannehill), or skinny part time defenders who flunk the metrics at #3 (Dion Jordan), I don't see how anyone can be surprised at ongoing mediocrity. When so much of this is a crap shoot you want to start at the 60% level and not 40%. These guys are often going to deviate 20% or more from logical expectation. Do the wrong thing consistently and there's too much burden for the player to err on the high side. Unfortunately the front office doesn't understand any of that. They see a stadium and are determined to patch it, and see an offensive line with determination to patch it.

I agree with your points except Tannehill....This franchise passed on far too many QB's too not roll the dice on him.

Considering the negatives he has had to deal with....poor receiving corp in 2012....poor O-line in 2013...I am happy with his progression and future prospects.

 

[hoops]

I get what your saying, although I still think it's a stretch to assume Jordan can do what Collins can at lb, Maybe, maybe not, maybe some place in between? It's really the same thing the Jets are trying to do with their out of position DE . Generally speaking when teams try and fit a player into a new position it rarely works out. Although if your looking for positive example of it, the Pats did make it work with Willie Mcginest, he will be remembered as a Hall of Famer now, but for the first few years he was a bust that wasn't big enough o play end, and too slow to play lb. They basically had to create a new position for him before he took off.

please don't tell me you are referring to quinton coples who isn't close to the hip and cod explosion athlete that dion jordan or jamie collins are and that the jets are trying to make fit as a 34 olb which is a dreadful attempt for what is more suited to play a 34 de than anything else in a 34 alignment

 

[broccoli rob]

Secondly, I was there in person watching how easily Jordan ran with Gronk. It was no joke how easy it looked. No, he did not defend him all game, but it shouted loud what he could do with more experience and creativity from the coaching staff.

I agree. The second part of the reality check on Jordan thread should be re: the promise he showed in limited snaps. He will still win back the majority of skeptic fans in 2014. especially if he holds on to this muscle he put on from "stimulants"

 

[marinotoclayton]

He will still win back the majority of skeptic fans in 2014. especially if he holds on to this muscle he put on from "stimulants" [/QUOTE]

He has got a lot of work to do to win skeptical fan's!
A four game suspension will not help in his playing time! That gives other guys time to shine in his place if he had or has a spot in this years defense! At the rate he is going it will be year 3 and he could be out the door!
I have hated this pick from day one and am starting to hate it more with the suspension thing! Hopefully the kid can bounce back from this and be a decent player! Notice that i said decent as he has a long climb to be great! So far I haven't drank the Jordan koolaid just yet! Got to do some work to impress me!

 

[grogan12]

please don't tell me you are referring to quinton coples who isn't close to the hip and cod explosion athlete that dion jordan or jamie collins are and that the jets are trying to make fit as a 34 olb which is a dreadful attempt for what is more suited to play a 34 de than anything else in a 34 alignment

Yeah, that's him, and I agree that's not going to work either. Bottom line is I've seen nothing to indicate Jordan can make this kind of move either, maybe he can, but it's rare and doesn't happen often. The simple fact of the matter is when you start changing positions and trying to fit a top ten draft pick into new slot just to try and get some production out of them, you more than likely made a mistake with that pick in the first place. I know fin fans don't want to hear that but it is what it is.