Rebuilding

[RevRick]

Or in short...

"Make haste slowly..."

-Nick Saban

The Navy has another term for it, which I like a lot. When necessary, proceed with "all deliberate speed". I think this is the way Saban is thinking as well. And, from the construction industry, you don't build a house from the top down. Lay the foundations first, and to be honest, a good QB now would be in trouble unless it was understood that the team needs to take the time to allow that QB to learn the position in this offense thoroughly rather than expect miracles now. I think that is part of the problem with AJ. It's hard to respond when people expect a miracle worker and every problem is exhaustively discussed and cussed. We don't have a QB who can step into the role now and be expected to do anything more than occupy the position. That takes time to grow into. I'd like to see Saban get a Matt Mauck, or another good young QB and put him at 3rd string and let him sit and watch and learn because there is absolutely NO GUARANTEE that we will be able to draft a QB next year - too much luck of the draw in that lottery.

 

[LarryFinFan]

In previous threads I have read everything from "Nick Saban is just another rookie coach that has no idea what he is doing" to "We should have drafted (put name of favorite QB of 2005 draft class here) in the first three rounds". This is just my opinion on why things are the way they are going into the new NFL season:

Yes, we very well could have picked a QB in the first 3 rounds of the NFL draft. But ... Roth was projected to go as a high first round draft pick (and i do not see any reason why we would have picked any of the QB's available in the second round anyhow), Channing Crowder has already become a starter and Travis Daniels has also been battling for a starting position. Nick Saban is doing just what he said he would do ... REBUILDING ... and in a few years when Madison, Zack, Seau, and JT are gone, yes believe it or not they are aging and won't be around forever, you will understand why Saban drafted these three legitamate suitors for our defense. He took over this team knowing that we were in REBUILDING mode (once again I stress that word) and he decided to start off with the Defense because he may very well be a believer in the theory that Defense wins championships. He also brought in a lot of older veterans, which a lot of people are giving him crap for, because they can TEACH the rookies the ins and outs. Coaches can not teach rookies everything. Veterans who have been around for a while can show the new guys everything that they know. Saban IS looking to bring this franchise back to a winner but with the roster we had coming in there is NO WAY it could have possibly happened all this year. With a new and refreshed Miami Defense coming into next season Saban will have a chance to look at an offense, especially a QB, to build around next year in the draft and FA. But ... do not be surprised in any sense if he does the same thing with the offense next season by bringing in a former Pro-bowl ability QB and former Pro-bowl ability OLineman that are wayyy past their time to come in just to teach the new guys that he picks up in the draft next season. Who knows, maybe we'll luck out and our Oline will step it up and glue together this season and we will only need minor tweeks to our offense with a new QB, which is inevitable, and a few other positions. Hopefully we can even just get a QB in FA or a trade for Brees or Rivers. Just remember, we are REBUILDING and we have to be patient. It is likely that we have another long season ahead of us, in all reality, but look at what Saban came into. He knows how to win, but most of all he knows how to be patient.

Well, your point was nicely pointed out, but IMO you are wrong...In the NFL today you do not "rebuild", you retool and move on...FA has allowed that as the method of changing the face of how to build a team today...Sure, he's rebuilding a foundation for HIS team..that is a given and expected with any new coach that takes over a team...He's putting his mark on the team...but his philosophy is "win now", not in 2 or 3 years. While it appears to most of us, based on the preseason, that his quest for a legitimate QB hasn't been reached, he'll keep on moving forward with the rest of the team. The blueprint in how to build a team is the Pats...if you look at their roster last year, it was littered with unknowns, until they needed those folks to step up to the plate...which they did...the bottom line is that the team must consist of 53 starters...not just the 22 that you put on the field. Saban is tooling his 53, that's all. Now, the glich in all this is that we still don't have a QB worth a gnat's azz...so the rest of the team needs to improve...BTW, while 95% of the fans have been worried about the QB and whether RB will be up to speed, Saban and crew have been worried about the TE, FB, WR, OL, ST, etc, etc, etc...

Rebuilding, no way...retooling and moving on...

 

[BrazForPhins]

nice post!
and IMO, in a rebuilding mode, adding the QB as the final piece is better than the first..just compare the success of Eli manning and Big Ben as rookies...
I hope saban can upgrade the whole team and then throw in there a young QB prospect surrounded with talent

 

[Fran2fin]

besides i think watching a team get built up for superbowl contention is just as fun as watching them in the superbowl. because you can sit there and look back and say ''wow i remember when we couldnt even throw that ball.'' or ''geeze our defense and running game is domonant, unlike 3 or 4 years ago''. we can sit here and watch them grow. watch the rookies flourish. besides id think id rather see a rookie qb come in here only after this offense has been established and everyone else has learned it. look at all the examples of rookie qbs comin in and being successful the offense was already established and the guys on offense knew what they were doing. ours isnt. they might have a slight grasp of it. but imo not enough to bring in a rookie qb and throw him to the wolves.

Another good point! Obviously, impossible to fix the team all in one year...Good posts, guys.

 

[BrazForPhins]

besides i think watching a team get built up for superbowl contention is just as fun as watching them in the superbowl. because you can sit there and look back and say ''wow i remember when we couldnt even throw that ball.'' or ''geeze our defense and running game is domonant, unlike 3 or 4 years ago''. we can sit here and watch them grow. watch the rookies flourish. besides id think id rather see a rookie qb come in here only after this offense has been established and everyone else has learned it. look at all the examples of rookie qbs comin in and being successful the offense was already established and the guys on offense knew what they were doing. ours isnt. they might have a slight grasp of it. but imo not enough to bring in a rookie qb and throw him to the wolves.

ops,didnt see your post! completely agreed!

 

[SoDakDolfan]

My thoughts exactly. I think Saban did an outstanding job in the draft, even though we didn't get our franchise QB. We can't do it all in one year. It will come along and sooner rather than later the Dolphins will once again be perched atop the NFL pecking order.

 

[chrome4]

My thoughts exactly. I think Saban did an outstanding job in the draft, even though we didn't get our franchise QB. We can't do it all in one year. It will come along and sooner rather than later the Dolphins will once again be perched atop the NFL pecking order.

Agreed.

 

[dolphan117]

Nice to read an intelligent thread. A whole thread!!!

 

[Rufio]

I understand the idea of retooling that a few of you have brought up, but you have to understand that no matter how much Saban retools this team with FA's its still going to end up as a rebuilding season because there is just not enough high quality FA's out there to fix all of the holes that Wanny left this team with. He is trying to retool for the present and future ... but in other words that is kinda like saying that he is rebuilding?

 

[adamprez2003]

I have watched his moves this year and I agree that next year we have to address the offense. My question is I am starting to getting a creeping suspicion that Saban may have the same tendency as other defensive minded coaches to take the offense for granted. I appreciate the philosophy that we should be patient and see what he does though I wonder when is it acceptable to question some of his moves. After game 1, after midseason, after the end of regular season?

I want to believe he is the answer and overall I have given him a B up to this point. It would have been an A except for the offensive line and QB position. I really think taking Matt Roth instead of Charlie Frye is going to haunt us especially the way the QB position has shaped up. The first year is always a free ride and he shouldve taken advantage of that fact and had Frye sit and learn. Frye wouldve come cheap considering our salary cap even if he picked him with our second rounder.

To those who would argue we had many holes to fill I agree. That's why I will hold off making final judgements. But I think its acceptable to voice creeping doubts so long as they are reasonable and not over the top

 

[brparkway]

Just check the roster at this time next year if you don't think this is rebuilding. There will probably be only a handful of guys left from Wannie's regime. I'm too lazy to count the guys gone so far this year. :goof:

 

[fishfan34]

Finally someone who understands!:evil:

:confused: Finally someone that understand? I think many other people on this board have been echoing these same opinions for a few days now against the "Why didn't Saban get a QB to develop" crowd.. just turns out our resonses were in the other 100 threads about the QB situation and we didn't make our own thread.. having said that.. of course, I agree with everything that was said 100%..

 

[LarryFinFan]

I understand the idea of retooling that a few of you have brought up, but you have to understand that no matter how much Saban retools this team with FA's its still going to end up as a rebuilding season because there is just not enough high quality FA's out there to fix all of the holes that Wanny left this team with. He is trying to retool for the present and future ... but in other words that is kinda like saying that he is rebuilding?

Yeah, you're probably right...my point was that when you say rebuild, most people think in terms of 2-4 years...this is not, imo, what Saban is doing..he's rebuilding/retooling/insert adjective here for this year, not the next two or 3...

And to add to that, I'm also sure that Gus was not in his plans...I'm sure he thought Feeley was going to be the man this year...that didn't happen and puts him back a step or two...