Report: Candidates being steered away from Dolphins GM job

[Casas9425]

Says you, a lot of up and comers ready to make the jump. Plus a candidate who has had prior success as a GM.

Brian Xanders was a candidate that I liked until it was discovered that the entire league thinks he's a clown. Omar Kahn is not a personnel man, Lake Dawson comes from a mediocre at best franchise and Ray Farmer has never drafted a player in his life. I'm not going to waste my time with Dennis Hickey who was passed over by his own team.

 

[Casas9425]

Are monkeys writing some of these articles.
Is this a random sentence generator.
All of these article get published reworded in a slightly different way.

Candidates scared to come to Miami because.
1) Ross in China, Ross travelling
2) Aponte
3) Philbin Lame Duck
4) Jeff Ireland may have snaked Cleveland

I am beginning to think that profootballtalk is some sort of google spam article bot designed to spit out as many articles as possible.

Of course some on this board take every negative article and pee themselves with excitement when they see it because it validates their world view.

I think there are legitimate reasons to be worried if your a candidate. Dawn Aponte has a history of stabbing people in the back and scheming for power, Joe Philbin is a lame duck with the personality and leadership skills of a telephone poll, Aponte and Philbin are closely aligned to the point that she writes his speeches on index cards for him to address the team and the owner is never around and has a chief advisor who was laughed out of the league 6 years ago. There are many reasons to proceed with caution.

 

[Nublar7]

Brian Xanders was a candidate that I liked until it was discovered that the entire league thinks he's a clown. Omar Kahn is not a personnel man, Lake Dawson comes from a mediocre at best franchise and Ray Farmer has never drafted a player in his life. I'm not going to waste my time with Dennis Hickey who was passed over by his own team.

Ray Farmer is the guy who is likely going to get the job, so I am not really going to discuss the other candidates in this response. As a person who has been climbing the ranks and is currently an assistant GM, he shouldn't be considered because he never had full GM power before? How would any of these guys become GMs if they are never given the opportunity. Whether a person had the power to make certain moves or didn't shouldn't discredit the work they did put in. There is a reason why Farmer is respected, continues to climb the ranks and has been mentioned as a future GM the past few years.

 

[Casas9425]

Ray Farmer is the guy who is likely going to get the job, so I am not really going to discuss the other candidates in this response. As a person who has been climbing the ranks and is currently an assistant GM, he shouldn't be considered because he never had full GM power before? How would any of these guys become GMs if they are never given the opportunity. Whether a person had the power to make certain moves or didn't shouldn't discredit the work they did put in. There is a reason why Farmer is respected, continues to climb the ranks and has been mentioned as a future GM the past few years.

I do agree that Farmer is the best of the bunch...but why hasn't he been hired yet? What is taking so long if he's so great?

 

[trojanma]

I think there are legitimate reasons to be worried if your a candidate. Dawn Aponte has a history of stabbing people in the back and scheming for power, Joe Philbin is a lame duck with the personality and leadership skills of a telephone poll, Aponte and Philbin are closely aligned to the point that she writes his speeches on index cards for him to address the team and the owner is never around and has a chief advisor who was laughed out of the league 6 years ago. There are many reasons to proceed with caution.

A lot of you main talking points are media gossip that really on carry weight in finheaven.

Philbin may have the poor leadership skills in your opinion, but Lazor chose the fins over a team with highly superior offensive weapons because... of Philbin.
There seems to be a disconnect in your theory.
If Philbin is such a lame duck how did this happen?

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

A lot of you main talking points are media gossip that really on carry weight in finheaven.

Philbin may have the poor leadership skills in your opinion, but Lazor chose the fins over a team with highly superior offensive weapons because... of Philbin.
There seems to be a disconnect in your theory.
If Philbin is such a lame duck how did this happen?

Lazor will call the plays in Miami. Lazor was not going to call plays in Philadelphia (Kelly) or Detroit (Caldwell).

Now, there are reasons to think that Joe Philbin played a big part in Lazor coming here. I've heard that both men are devout Catholics and big on family, which probably gives them a lot in common just from a purely human standpoint. But I think more than anything that just built trust between them; Lazor trusts that Philbin will let him run the offense, and let him call the plays without micromanagement.

Ultimately, Lazor gambled on himself. He gambled on the opportunity to actually be an offensive coordinator as opposed to merely having that title and being Caldwell's adjutant.

I like that. I'm very skeptical of Lazor, but I like that a lot. He was willing to come into this situation because he thinks he can do a good enough job that he can save someone else's job.

 

[Hoot]

Ray Farmer is the guy who is likely going to get the job, so I am not really going to discuss the other candidates in this response. As a person who has been climbing the ranks and is currently an assistant GM, he shouldn't be considered because he never had full GM power before? How would any of these guys become GMs if they are never given the opportunity. Whether a person had the power to make certain moves or didn't shouldn't discredit the work they did put in. There is a reason why Farmer is respected, continues to climb the ranks and has been mentioned as a future GM the past few years.

Well said. Farmer is getting a lot of love among league circles. Is he a proven GM? Nope. Is he a proven talent evaluator? Yes. Among all of the qualities a GM could possess, the one I value the highest is talent evaluation. You can bring people in to help work the cap, you can bring people in to help work contracts, but what sets a team a part are the guys in that locker room, and the GM puts them there.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Just out of curiosity, why do we want to hire the candidate that the rest of the league wants us to hire? I understand the value of building relationships and being able to function within the league's social structure, but why does it seem like everyone around the NFL is talking up Ray Farmer and how great he is despite the fact that we really have no doggone reason to believe that he will be a great GM? And how about Marc Ross? I'm supposed to be upset that the guy responsible for the last five awful Giants drafts is somebody our owner should completely change his organizational structure on the fly in order to recruit? Really?

Meanwhile, Brian Xanders had a very good run as the GM in Denver and contributed to improvement this year in Detroit. Yet people around the NFL think he sucks and are floating the idea that Miami would be stupid to hire him. Why? I'm not going to suggest that they are afraid Miami will become a powerhouse under Xanders, but I do think they are afraid Xanders represents their obsolescence.

There is a reason everyone is ripping on the technology and metrics guy, even though he has the best resume of the candidates who have been interviewed. Trust me, that isn't coincidental.

Old fashioned film evaluators are afraid of what Brian Xanders represents. He represents more work, more training, and the very real possibility of being replaced by some 'kid' with an MBA or a math degree who also happens to love football.

 

[trojanma]

Lazor will call the plays in Miami. Lazor was not going to call plays in Philadelphia (Kelly) or Detroit (Caldwell).

Now, there are reasons to think that Joe Philbin played a big part in Lazor coming here. I've heard that both men are devout Catholics and big on family, which probably gives them a lot in common just from a purely human standpoint. But I think more than anything that just built trust between them; Lazor trusts that Philbin will let him run the offense, and let him call the plays without micromanagement.

Ultimately, Lazor gambled on himself. He gambled on the opportunity to actually be an offensive coordinator as opposed to merely having that title and being Caldwell's adjutant.

I like that. I'm very skeptical of Lazor, but I like that a lot. He was willing to come into this situation because he thinks he can do a good enough job that he can save someone else's job.

I will admit there was some hyporbole there.
No doubt that personality alignment played part. As well as trust for a larger role in the offense(though that is speculation).

Still you said it yourself. It was a bet and you don't make a bet in a losing situation.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Still you said it yourself. It was a bet and you don't make a bet in a losing situation.

He might also feel that it's worth the risk to get a year of experience as an NFL offensive coordinator. Ambition.

 

[xXwarXx]

The same guys who said we wouldnt get a quality OC, and said no one wanted the job, had no clue Lazor was our main target and that he wanted the job. Not one rumor about that.

Yet they continue to act like they know what's going on, and continue to bash us. Not sure why these guys are so focused on bashing us, but its def getting old.

Worse is the Mia fans who continue to eat it up.

 

[xXwarXx]

Lazor will call the plays in Miami. Lazor was not going to call plays in Philadelphia (Kelly) or Detroit (Caldwell).

Now, there are reasons to think that Joe Philbin played a big part in Lazor coming here. I've heard that both men are devout Catholics and big on family, which probably gives them a lot in common just from a purely human standpoint. But I think more than anything that just built trust between them; Lazor trusts that Philbin will let him run the offense, and let him call the plays without micromanagement.

Ultimately, Lazor gambled on himself. He gambled on the opportunity to actually be an offensive coordinator as opposed to merely having that title and being Caldwell's adjutant.

I like that. I'm very skeptical of Lazor, but I like that a lot. He was willing to come into this situation because he thinks he can do a good enough job that he can save someone else's job.

I also think Lazor thinks he can greatly improve the offense and tannehill, putting him position for a HC job, which I'm fine with.

He flat out said, he knows philbin has to win this year, for him to come here shows a lot confidence in his ability. And with his resume of coaches he has worked with, I assume they told him this is a good move for him.

 

[Casas9425]

A lot of you main talking points are media gossip that really on carry weight in finheaven.

Philbin may have the poor leadership skills in your opinion, but Lazor chose the fins over a team with highly superior offensive weapons because... of Philbin.
There seems to be a disconnect in your theory.
If Philbin is such a lame duck how did this happen?

Money talks.

 

[hemidemon]

Sometimes stellar candidates will refuse an interview knowing they will get an interview for a better situation later. Sometimes less than stellar candidates will take any interview for a potential promotion that they are offered.

I would really like to know what makes a stellar candidate? Most of thses guys have never been a GM so there is no real track record to go by. Most of these guys people had never even heard of until the media started reporting on them, now everyone is an expert. Give me a break!

 

[hemidemon]

I think there are legitimate reasons to be worried if your a candidate. Dawn Aponte has a history of stabbing people in the back and scheming for power, Joe Philbin is a lame duck with the personality and leadership skills of a telephone poll, Aponte and Philbin are closely aligned to the point that she writes his speeches on index cards for him to address the team and the owner is never around and has a chief advisor who was laughed out of the league 6 years ago. There are many reasons to proceed with caution.

Really??? I can't believe some of the stories that have taken root. I'm starting to think news agencies are hiring writers from the National Inquirer.