Ricky Williams and my argument with a Bills fan!!

[Doktor Ivel]

i dont think we will be trading rick any time soon

 

[NJFinFury2004]

Ricky will be 29 then is what I meant to say.

 

[NJFinFury2004]

We can agree to disagree, that's fine. I'm not sure about the 8.6, nothing has really been said about it, you maybe right?

Seau will be gone, Chester will be gone. Who knows what happens to Thomas if Chowder tears it up. AJ will be gone.

I really feel if he gets offered a #2, he wouldn't blink an eye and do so. Who knows whats in Rickys mind, he could walk away again tomorrow. And if you can get a # 2, go for it.

I don't agree he that he wouldn't blink and eye. He would definitely give this some serious thought. As someone mentioned, James does have those Knee questions and Alexander might be in the perfect system. To be honest, Ricky is better than both of them anyway. ON a team with an AVG O line at best, he led the league in rushing in 2002, both James and Alexander play behind good O lines and can throw the ball downfield.

Ricky is better than James and Alexander when it comes to talent. And I happen to agree with you when you say Ricky could flake out again, but we don't lose much if he does.

We will never get a player of Ricky's caliber in the second round and why not save that extra cap room on a QB? Or a STUD RT saying Carey plays as well in the games as he has in practice.

There was actually an article on here somewhere which talked about the money Ricky owes Miami and that he still does. IM not sure but I think he still owes us 2 seasons.

Imagine Saban in his 2nd season with Ricky and Ronnie? Dude, for the money we are spending on him, I don't know why anyone would want this guy gone. I can't even think of a second round pick to come close to Ricky.

Ricky and Ronnie could very well run us into the playoffs. That's if Ronnie is as good as everyone thinks he is, we all know how good Ricky is.

 

[FinaticPatch]

Yea you are probably right. Even though I think people are worried about Edge's knee and if Alexander is just perfect for the Seahawks system

You dont think they would be worried about retirement Id take a guy with a shotty knee that never quit over a perfectly healthy quitter.

 

[FinaticPatch]

We can agree to disagree, that's fine. I'm not sure about the 8.6, nothing has really been said about it, you maybe right?

Seau will be gone, Chester will be gone. Who knows what happens to Thomas if Chowder tears it up. AJ will be gone.

I really feel if he gets offered a #2, he wouldn't blink an eye and do so. Who knows whats in Rickys mind, he could walk away again tomorrow. And if you can get a # 2, go for it.

Madison will either restructure of be gone also.....we owe him way to much money.

David Bowens makes 1.9 mill he is gone and replacable with carter roth holliday all making less.

St Clair may be gone at 1.1 mil a year and I dont thin Saban will keep a 1 mil dollar kicker if he doesnt snap back to old olindo in a hurry.

 

[djfresh47]

I would trade him for a 2nd rd pick. Edge and Alexander are better backs than him, to say he is better after a year off is a completely biased opinion. With Ronnie Brown hopefully turning out to be a great player, Ricky couldn't start on any team in the Afc East. Is a backup RB more valuable than a player that should eventually start if he is taken in the 2nd rd?

 

[phunwin]

I would be absolutely shocked if Saban could get a #2 for Williams. And if someone offered one, I think he'd take it in a hearbeat.

 

[DeathStar]

off course a bills fan wouldn't want ricky on our team.
he can only help our team which is bad news for the bills.

you bums that want to trade ricky tell me why?

which is better, ricky or no ricky and a draft pick?

100 of out of 100 times i would take ricky cause ricky would help the team more than the draft pick can.

another reason to keep ricky is that our RB problem is solved for YEARS.

 

[LarryFinFan]

I need everyone's opinion on this. I have a friend who is a Bills fan and his screen name on AOL is Xmrsmoke1109x@aol.com. We were arguing over none other than Ricky Williams. This was the argument.

He said, Ricky won't be there next year and you won't get much for him. I said why would you be so sure he wouldn't be here? He said you just signed Ronnie for 20 Million. I asked, what does that have to do with Ricky?

Why would we trade Ricky for a 3rd round draft pick, when he is ours next season and we basically have this player by the gonads because of the 8 million. I said if Ricky has a good year, which I know he will Saban wouldn't trade him for a 3rd rounder.

He said ok, than maybe a 2nd rounder but he wont be there. I asked, what sense would that make for us? We have a pro-bowl running back under contract for basically league minimum, why get rid of him for a more expensive 2nd round draft choice with less talent?

I want to see what you guys think about this.

Would Saban trade Ricky after he has a good year for a 2nd round draft choice? The Bills fan claims there is no way we get a 1. Or would Nick Saban keep Ricky in the backfield with Ronnie for another season?

Id like to see what you guys think

That all depends on Ronnie...if he shines this season, then if Saban can trade RW or package him for a trade, I'm sure he'd do it, so long as he hasn't made some kind of deal with him about not trading to get him to come back ?? I don't know what kind of bait he'd be tho...to think that we'd get a 2nd or 3rd from him is a little wishful think, IMO...he is UNRELIABLE...If guys like Henry, Alexander and James couldn't garner a 3rd rounder, what makes you think RW would ?? Too many question marks, even if he has a good season and don't forget he is one toke away from a season long suspension...no...wishful thinking to get much in return for him...

 

[unifiedtheory]

Ricky has a cap friendly contract...why would we trade him?

If he returns to form and Ronnie lives up to his potential we have 2 great runners. I LIKE depth...and the way runners get hurt it is better to have 2 of them then end up with none.

 

[DeathStar]

Ricky has a cap friendly contract...why would we trade him?

If he returns to form and Ronnie lives up to his potential we have 2 great runners. I LIKE depth...and the way runners get hurt it is better to have 2 of them then end up with none.

finally someone with a brain talks.

 

[K-Rob]

IF, an that's a big IF, a team did propose a #2 for Ricky, would it be out ot the question to think that as part of the trade they would also pay for some of Ricky's remaining debt to the Dolphins? That way we might actually gain something. We still probably wouldn't get as good a player in return but could walk away with some cash so pay the incoming (younger) player with. I honestly don't know about these things so don't shoot me if this is a dumb question.

 

[ch19079]

off course a bills fan wouldn't want ricky on our team.
he can only help our team which is bad news for the bills.

you bums that want to trade ricky tell me why?

which is better, ricky or no ricky and a draft pick?

100 of out of 100 times i would take ricky cause ricky would help the team more than the draft pick can.

another reason to keep ricky is that our RB problem is solved for YEARS.

while i enjoy hearing of dolphins problems, i dont think anyone will offer a 2nd rounder for ricky. and IF someone did, saban would take it. because:
1) ricky is 1 positive test away from a 1 year suspention.
2) ricky has, and might again retire unexpectedly.
3) a 2nd rounder is VERY HIGH, compared to his trade value.
4) after a "very good season" he may want more money. if he owes the team 8 mil, that doesnt mean he has to play for the fins. he may want to go get PAID, so he can eventually pay that off, and retire in 3 or 4 years.

 

[NJFinFury2004]

I would trade him for a 2nd rd pick. Edge and Alexander are better backs than him, to say he is better after a year off is a completely biased opinion. With Ronnie Brown hopefully turning out to be a great player, Ricky couldn't start on any team in the Afc East. Is a backup RB more valuable than a player that should eventually start if he is taken in the 2nd rd?

Edge and Alexander are better backs than him? LOL. IM going by what he has done in the NFL, not where he is now. And he looked good to me and IM sure he will be good this season, especially with Ronnie there. To say Edge and Alexander are better than him? What games do you watch?

Edge has a MUCH better O line and Manning as a QB. You think a D can put 8 in the BOX vs this team? Come on man, thats absurd! Edge is not better than Ricky. Ricky is the better pure RB, Edge might have more all around talent, but Williams has better moves and he is faster.

Alexander is also on a team with a good O line and a team that can throw the football, once again preventing teams from keying up on him. Ricky rushed for 1800 yards on a team with no passing game and a avg O line at best.

Ricky took a year off, I bet that will actually benefit him. Its a year less of pounding on his body. And I do think he is better than Edge and Alexander and have shown why above.

 

[ch19079]

Edge and Alexander are better backs than him? LOL. IM going by what he has done in the NFL, not where he is now. And he looked good to me and IM sure he will be good this season, especially with Ronnie there. To say Edge and Alexander are better than him? What games do you watch?

some could say Ricky only had 1 "great" season. and was "good" for the other seasons. and that Edge has been "very good" throughout his carrer. same with alexander. and your only real negatives on the other 2 RBs are that they have good players around them. (though ricky did look fast breaking those long TD runs.)