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And then has the nerve to compare 147 targets with 10 targets. LOL at this guy.
Roberto Wallace/Marlon Moore Expectations
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And then has the nerve to compare 147 targets with 10 targets. LOL at this guy.
Your excused. You go right ahead and make up any nonsensical crap you want to, might as well entertain yourself.
The post was obviously referring to limited usage.
As far as the team being better off without Marshall.............It seems Joe Philbin, Stephen Ross and the FO thought so, and yes, so do I.
Another disingenuous post.
The stating of the 147 targets was clearly written to draw attention to how Sparano caved in to Marshall's me,me,me attitude. 57% catch ratio isn't anywhere near elite. He didn't deserve to be thrown to anywhere near as much as he was. He didn't produce. He didn't earn his money and he was traded.
Wallace, on the other hand, performed at a good level when given the opportunity, and earned his money on ST's, making him a value player at his salary.
Brandon Marshall was a complete waste of two 2nd round picks and a boatload of money and cap space.
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Boy...you don't know history around here; do you? You are arguing this WITH THE WRONG PERSON. I am the one who argued with people around here that Marshall wasn't what worth what we gave up for him and that he WAS NOT a Top 5 receiver...so trying to pull a "Stephen Ross and FO thought so" out on me is a joke.
But even though I argued that Marshall wasn't as good as everyone thought, which history has pretty much shown me to be correct, comparing Marshall to Wallace is seriously pathetic....
But you you just keep it up...I'm getting a real kick out of it...
Boy...you don't know history around here; do you? You are arguing this WITH THE WRONG PERSON. I am the one who argued with people around here that Marshall wasn't what worth what we gave up for him and that he WAS NOT a Top 5 receiver...so trying to pull a "Stephen Ross and FO thought so" out on me is a joke.
But even though I argued that Marshall wasn't as good as everyone thought, which history has pretty much shown me to be correct, comparing Marshall to Wallace is seriously pathetic....
But you you just keep it up...I'm getting a real kick out of it...
Read the posts again with a clear head. Your making up the comparison and totally missing the point.
The point is that you can't compare Marshall to Wallace for several reasons.
Age,experience,expectations,roles on the team,salary,etc.
You keep wanting to say that I'm comparing the two when the very point is that you can't compare them. Do you get it yet????????????????????????????
Marshall should be compared to other #1 WR's in the NFL who are making big bucks. Amongst those guys he doesn't compare very well. He may have been the most overrated high dollar WR in the NFL.
Wallace makes about 600,000 and kicks butt on ST's and in his few targets has a better catch% than Marshall; which isn't comparing them, They aren't in anywhere near the same class, but you can take note some things having to do with value.
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Don't sit here and say you only brought up the catch rate to bring attention to it. You clearly compared 147 targets to 10 targets, and used Wallace's catch rate like it matters. Marshall had 142 targets with a 58% catch rate. Calvin Johnson had 158 targets with a 61% CR. Nicks had 133 targets with a 57% CR. Fitzgerald 154 targets with a 52% CR. Roddy White 180 targets with a 56% CR. Bowe with 142 targets and a 57% CR. Stevie Johnson 134 targets and a 57% CR.
He performed when given the opportunity? I was highly impressed by his 6 catches 2 years ago, let me tell you. Loved watching him allow a blocked punt on ST last year. Really earned his paychecks for sure. He's a scrub. Get over it. I'm not a big Marshall fan, but I know Wallace will never be half the receiver he is.
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Guys in bold will be the only WR i'd take over Marshall, on that list. AJohnson is easily ahead of Marshall
But one thing is for certain Marshall led the NFL in dropped passes, and dropped TD passes.
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Yup. Just pointing out that Catch Rate can be a misleading stat. If you have trash at QB, like Fitzgerald, the catch rate is going to be lower. If you catch mostly short passes like Welker, the catch rate is going to be higher.
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Roberto wallace is similar in size period. i like Moore better but not for any real reason its yr 3 make it or good bye
The blocked punt was in 2010, and it was his first time playing that role. Since then, he has been solid.
I don't where your head is, but is clear that one of my points throughout this thread has been that Wallace hasn't seen many snaps as a WR. How you can't understand that it is hard to evaluate a player when he isn't being given opportunities in actual regular season games, I don't know, do you??
As far as catch% go's, I consider anything 60% and above good; anything in the 50's is so-so.
Roddy White had the worst year of his career and lead the league in drops.
Calvin Johnson's 61% is good, What's your point??
Fitz had no QB, and one of the worst OL's in the history of the NFL.
Bowe and Johnson did alright for their particular QB's as well.
I didn't say Marshall was bad. I said he was a mediocre guy who was grossly overpaid and over valued.
The point is: The Dolphins are going to be way better off not over targeting a diva WR who just wasn't that great. Even when he was at Denver and all hyped up PFF still had him ranked in the twenties.
Matt Moore is spot on saying this new offense will be far more effective spreading the ball around and not just focusing on Marshall first all the time.
As far as Wallace's 6 catches in ten targets, would you rather he dropped them?? It is what is man, he is a potential loaded, smart, athletic, big, strong, versatile, WR, who, IMO is about as much you can ask for as a #4-6 WR.
I hope he surprises everybody and wins himself a bunch of time on the field this year, but if he just acts as a solid backup and an excellent ST's player for one more year, I will be happy. Next year, I would want him to establish himself as a #3. If Hartline asks for too much money next year and the Dolphins draft a WR in the mid rounds say 3rd or 4th round. I could easily see Wallace as the #3 in 2013.
It will depend a lot on Naanee as well. I think they are very similar. I see Wallace in direct competion with Naanee. If Wallace does get cut at sometime this year, I think it will be because Naanee is breaking out; however, I don't think Naanee is going to pull that off. I would welcome it, but I'd be very surprised. I think it is more likely that Wallace continues to develop and Naanee doesn't get an offer next year.
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Roddy White led league in dropped passes, not BM.
Before everyone proclaims how brilliant this FO was to get rid of an elite WR....let's see how we do this year with our group that we have.
I dont expect anything out of either one. I expect Moore to be released in favor of one of the rookies and I expect Wallace to have a shot due to being a special teams standout, however if one of the other rookies does well on special teams I ecxpect Wallace to be cut as well.. If Wallace is able to keep his spot this year, I fully excpect him to be cut next year. Neither Moore or Wallace have shown ANYTHING with regard to even being a slightly average WR.
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As far as the vets go, it looks like Hartline, Bess and Naanee (getting lots of praise). Looks like Gates isn't making that next step, but I'm not sure about Wallace, Moore or Pruitt. The new coaching staff didn't bring them in so no genuine ties. They will really have to step up. I suppose one should also account for possible vet signing in the summer if most of these guys end up playing like turds as well.
He probably did lead the league in dropped TD passes though.. Im not sure of how many dropped TD's he had but im sure he left close to 30 or 40 points on the field.
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