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Ross Tucker: criticism of Philbin and Dolphins leaderhsip is overblown

rickd13 said:
The NFL is going to destroy itself with all the political correctness and concussion over-sensitivity. Now a coach (Sherman) telling his player (Egnew) that his play isn't cutting it is considered bullying? What's next, lawsuits when a player gets cut? "Children" on there parents health care plan until the age of 26? I swear to God we are raising the softest generation in our nations history.
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The NFL? How bout our entire society?
 
rickd13 said:
The NFL is going to destroy itself with all the political correctness and concussion over-sensitivity. Now a coach (Sherman) telling his player (Egnew) that his play isn't cutting it is considered bullying? What's next, lawsuits when a player gets cut? "Children" on there parents health care plan until the age of 26? I swear to God we are raising the softest generation in our nations history.
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exactly...and other countries are noticing...ones that we may have problems with down the road
 
I think philosophy wise Philbin is a hands off coach i.e. he believes in getting the right people on board and leaving them to do their job, coaches and players. That said I'm a bit surprised Philbin wouldn't take an active interest in the oline given it's his speciality and it was playing so poorly, was he concerned with undermining Turner?
Last season there was talk around the league about olines not being that great in general due to the CBA and if there are more rules on how you can speak to and handle players, how peer pressure can be used to elevate a player's game then olines are going to get progressively worse.
 
GoonBoss said:
That softest generation has been fighting this nations wars
over the past decade and has done a damn fine job of it.
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Thank goodness for these kids. We can learn so much from the military in our other institutions in our society....yet many are going in the polar opposite direction.

God bless the service members.
 
hooshoops said:
blowing up a guy is not calling him out for flat sucking in practice...it's not shermans fault egnew was there but it was irelands...sherman can only work with what he was given...and yeah the guy had faults sherman that is and he needed to go but he was also given a crap sandwich to work with personnel wise at many positions...oline especially

jesus we gonna make it now where you can't even call a guy out in the film room for not doing his job or blowing an assignment cause certain people can't handle the criticism...well then find another profession boss...one that doesnt require accountability and one that doesnt care if you are good at it or not...good luck with that

ross tuckers got it right if philbin spent all his time in the oline meeting rooms etc and held the olines hand every day at lunch etc then yeah he would be more responsible...but he's the head coach his job responsibilities are not that he doesn't sit in on every meeting with every position coach he doesn't have the time to do that for one and for two he has position coaches who are there for that and should if need be relay necessary things to him...

canning philbin over this is a joke...who wants to work for a micromanager??? i know i don't if the guys in jobs aren't capable of getting the job done they shouldn't be there in the first place...this is a couple individuals going haywire a powderkeg in incognito who has no respect for himself let alone anyone else and a guy that has serious personal issues and self esteem problems in martin who needs to be propped up and told how good he is all the time or he loses it...
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tell ya what hoos.. go to your boss/mngr/vp/ceo and have him/her deride/vilify while someone videos it then posts it on YouTube.

let us know how you feel afterwards.
 
Greg Cote: Bullygate exposes Miami Dolphins' lack of leadership

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/02/17/3942235/greg-cote-bullygate-reveals-miami.html

The Dolphins were, and are, a team without a spine. A roster without any semblance of the leadership that forms any good club’s backbone, that polices itself, that draws hard lines on what’s OK in the inner sanctum and what is not.

You could look even higher than the locker room level for the void of leadership.

Look to an owner Stephen Ross, who was a football novice before becoming majority owner in 2009.

Look to the former general manager, Jeff Ireland, a lightweight in his field, not accomplished enough to either earn respect from players or instill fear.

Look to a rookie coach, Joe Philbin, who was understandably more concerned with adjusting to his new role and trying to win games than wondering if, below his office, his players might be tormenting one another.

Look to the blind-mice assistant coaches, including one, Jim Turner, who even participated in the inappropriate behavior. (Blowup dolls, Jim? Really!?)

Everyone bears his burden in this. Again, though, for me, it starts at the player level, with the teammates who like to call themselves “brothers” allowing this to go on with mouths closed — because nobody was strong enough to stand up and shout, “Stop!”

No leader was anywhere to be found when Martin was being taunted to tears in a pattern of abuse, or when a second young lineman and an assistant trainer also were being blatantly harassed. No leader was anywhere when Incognito and cohorts Mike Pouncey and John Jerry were running rampant with their profane, juvenile, cruel behavior.
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johngarry said:
tell ya what hoos.. go to your boss/mngr/vp/ceo and have him/her deride/vilify while someone videos it then posts it on YouTube.

let us know how you feel afterwards.
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i don't think that would happen cause i don't suck at my job and if i did i would be fired...no free passes for incompetence
 
hooshoops said:
i don't think that would happen cause i don't suck at my job and if i did i would be fired...no free passes for incompetence
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qualifying your capability isn't the parameter; only that you're being exposed to the scrutiny, and allowing the public to render judgement - the conclusion of the masses might differ from your own personal examination
 
johngarry said:
qualifying your capability isn't the parameter; only that you're being exposed to the scrutiny, and allowing the public to render judgement - the conclusion of the masses might differ from your own personal examination
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a judgement that was backed up with on the field play you should add...egnew was horrid his rookie year...sherman was spot on...
 
hooshoops said:
blowing up a guy is not calling him out for flat sucking in practice...it's not shermans fault egnew was there but it was irelands...sherman can only work with what he was given...and yeah the guy had faults sherman that is and he needed to go but he was also given a crap sandwich to work with personnel wise at many positions...oline especially

jesus we gonna make it now where you can't even call a guy out in the film room for not doing his job or blowing an assignment cause certain people can't handle the criticism...well then find another profession boss...one that doesnt require accountability and one that doesnt care if you are good at it or not...good luck with that

ross tuckers got it right if philbin spent all his time in the oline meeting rooms etc and held the olines hand every day at lunch etc then yeah he would be more responsible...but he's the head coach his job responsibilities are not that he doesn't sit in on every meeting with every position coach he doesn't have the time to do that for one and for two he has position coaches who are there for that and should if need be relay necessary things to him...

canning philbin over this is a joke...who wants to work for a micromanager??? i know i don't if the guys in jobs aren't capable of getting the job done they shouldn't be there in the first place...this is a couple individuals going haywire a powderkeg in incognito who has no respect for himself let alone anyone else and a guy that has serious personal issues and self esteem problems in martin who needs to be propped up and told how good he is all the time or he loses it...
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How do you know or not know that Sherman wasnt sitting around the table before the draft saying he was on board for Egnew?

Fact is, this is just convenience for you bashing Ireland. It will be all offseason, but there is much we out here do not know, so people need to stop pretending like they know something when they do not.

Just now there is implication that martin had failed a drug test. No one knew. Thats a big piece of facts in this whole ordeal.
 
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