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RUMOR: Dallas interested in acquiring Lamar Miller

Look again - sometimes the numbers lie.

He missed 25%.

So which 25% was it?

A 3rd and short in 1 or 3rd quarter helps and important.

But in the 4th quarter with the game on the line - we struggled badly.

It lost us games - cost us the playoffs.

Knowshon was brought in because of this crucial issue.

Lamar does not move the pile and we all know it - he shifts through lanes and holes.

I like him - I'd trade for La'el right now - and know I crushed on the deal!

Again, I like Lamar but he cannot be counted upon to salt away games. A bruising offensive line is SO much more crucial right now and Dallas is rich in that department.



nick1 said:
You do know he converted 75% of 3rd/4th and shorts
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dolpns13 said:
Mike Gillisee? Hahahaha. Isn't he off the team anyways? Damn he sucked
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To be put on IR with a hamstring injury last preseason feels like that was Miami's way of not cutting him but giving him one more shot in 2015 to see if he makes any gains.

I'd imagine prospects for him making the team are low being apart of that infamous Jeff Ireland 2013 class.
 
Kdawg954 said:
Why would Dallas give up a first for a one dimensional RB who will be a free agent next year? Seriously think about that.

Quite honestly, McFadden is a much more talented back. Sure he's forever hurt, but try giving Lamar Miller . . . "Demarco carries" . . . and see how far that gets you.

I could see the interest as a "split time back" but you aren't giving up anything on Day 1 or 2 for that type of RB. It would be interesting if Dallas floated a 4 or 5 if Miami would bite . . . my gut tells me they would.
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Miller may have one dimension, but his one dimension makes him a very effective player when used effectively. In some ways he may be the Mike Wallace of running backs, but both guys and their one dimension are better than guys who can't produce at all. McFadden when drafted certainly had talent, but in the last couple years he's performed like he's done. 3.3 YPC over 3 seasons compared to Lamar's 4.6? Laughable.
 
raving said:
Look again - sometimes the numbers lie.

He missed 25%.

So which 25% was it?

A 3rd and short in 1 or 3rd quarter helps and important.

But in the 4th quarter with the game on the line - we struggled badly.

It lost us games - cost us the playoffs.

Knowshon was brought in because of this crucial issue.

Lamar does not move the pile and we all know it - he shifts through lanes and holes.

I like him - I'd trade for La'el right now - and know I crushed on the deal!

Again, I like Lamar but he cannot be counted upon to salt away games. A bruising offensive line is SO much more crucial right now and Dallas is rich in that department.
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It's ridiculous that you blame all our short yardage problems on Lamar Miller and little on the coaching staff that made such great moves as passing on third and one when our back was averaging 7.2 YPC (KC game). That same game Ryan Tannehill averaged 4.7 yards per attempt. I'm sorry, but I don't remember this multitude of failed third down conversions by Miller, because quite frankly the team put the ball in Ryan Tannehill's hands even when it was statistically laughable.

Knowshown was brought in because we didn't have a back doing the job in 2013. Miller, who honestly barely got a chance to carry despite averaging over 4 yards on one of the worst lines any of us have ever seen, didn't solidify the role. From week one of this season, Miller ran like a different back, and that included against New England (when Moreno stole the show) where he finished every run he could punishing a defender. Moreno pushed our guys and Miller was made better by it. I seem to remember a back in Denver who was drafted highly and who seemed like a complete waste of a roster spot until another guy was brought in to be the feature guy and got injured. It took five years for Moreno to become himself, but I guess if we are gonna condemn running backs by what they were early in their career instead of what they became, we'd have to write off Moreno too.
 
If Dallas offers a Top 100 pick I do the deal in a heartbeat. Miller is a very replaceable back.
 
I appreciate your point of view on the matter.

I agree with you that coaching staff SUCKED in many key situations - actually aged me like 5 years in a series of 3 minute stretches throughout the seas -

Miller is a pretty good back.

I was overshooting the mark a bit on purpose because some fans were expressing their opinion that seemed a bit too heavy the other way.

Its all fine because I respect that you and others see it differently -

I would not hesitate to trade Miller for a strong performer on the offensive line.



Sirspud said:
It's ridiculous that you blame all our short yardage problems on Lamar Miller and little on the coaching staff that made such great moves as passing on third and one when our back was averaging 7.2 YPC (KC game). That same game Ryan Tannehill averaged 4.7 yards per attempt. I'm sorry, but I don't remember this multitude of failed third down conversions by Miller, because quite frankly the team put the ball in Ryan Tannehill's hands even when it was statistically laughable.

Knowshown was brought in because we didn't have a back doing the job in 2013. Miller, who honestly barely got a chance to carry despite averaging over 4 yards on one of the worst lines any of us have ever seen, didn't solidify the role. From week one of this season, Miller ran like a different back, and that included against New England (when Moreno stole the show) where he finished every run he could punishing a defender. Moreno pushed our guys and Miller was made better by it. I seem to remember a back in Denver who was drafted highly and who seemed like a complete waste of a roster spot until another guy was brought in to be the feature guy and got injured. It took five years for Moreno to become himself, but I guess if we are gonna condemn running backs by what they were early in their career instead of what they became, we'd have to write off Moreno too.
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raving said:
I would not hesitate to trade Miller for a strong performer on the offensive line.
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It's not that in the long run I don't agree that a very good lineman would be more valuable than Miller. It's just that at this point, with the draft done and free agency down to guys that nobody wants, it's silly to trade your starting running back with no clear cut starter material on your roster. This is a make or break year for Philbin and Tannehill, and while if it doesn't work Tannehill will still be here while Philbin won't, there's just no way I'd strip this offense of a key playmaker at this juncture of the game then watch my young QB have to go out and have to bear more burden than this stupid regime has already forced upon him.

Before the draft is the time to make trades like what we did with Wallace.
 
Sirspud said:
It's not that in the long run I don't agree that a very good lineman would be more valuable than Miller. It's just that at this point, with the draft done and free agency down to guys that nobody wants, it's silly to trade your starting running back with no clear cut starter material on your roster. This is a make or break year for Philbin and Tannehill, and while if it doesn't work Tannehill will still be here while Philbin won't, there's just no way I'd strip this offense of a key playmaker at this juncture of the game then watch my young QB have to go out and have to bear more burden than this stupid regime has already forced upon him.

Before the draft is the time to make trades like what we did with Wallace.
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Ignoring the fact that Philbin being fired is a good thing: what happens if Lamar Miller tears his ACL in practice? Does that knock us out of playoff contention?
 
Spesh said:
Ignoring the fact that Philbin being fired is a good thing: what happens if Lamar Miller tears his ACL in practice? Does that knock us out of playoff contention?
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Maybe as he is our starting RB. That could be said of any of our starters also
 
phintim said:
Maybe as he is our starting RB. That could be said of any of our starters also
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Dallas Thomas is written in as one of our starting guards, does that mean we shouldn't trade him if we got offers?
 
Spesh said:
Ignoring the fact that Philbin being fired is a good thing: what happens if Lamar Miller tears his ACL in practice? Does that knock us out of playoff contention?
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It makes us a worse team.

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Spesh said:
Dallas Thomas is written in as one of our starting guards, does that mean we shouldn't trade him if we got offers?
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There's no comparison between our competition at guard, Dallas Thomas, and Lamar Miller and the RB situation, but I'm glad when people debating with me make points like this because it shows a lack of common sense.
 
Spesh said:
Dallas Thomas is written in as one of our starting guards, does that mean we shouldn't trade him if we got offers?[/QUOT

Your trying to set me up for another post to laugh at.
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Sirspud said:
It makes us a worse team.

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There's no comparison between our competition at guard, Dallas Thomas, and Lamar Miller and the RB situation, but I'm glad when people debating with me make points like this because it shows a lack of common sense.
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Im not debating whether it makes us better or worse to lose a player to injury. Would losing Miller knock us out of playoff contention?

And why is it different? I mean, Thomas is our "best" guard, thus he cant be shipped out. Right? That is what many are insisting, the quality of the starter is irrelevant only the fact that they are starting.
 
Spesh said:
Im not debating whether it makes us better or worse to lose a player to injury. Would losing Miller knock us out of playoff contention?

And why is it different? I mean, Thomas is our "best" guard, thus he cant be shipped out. Right? That is what many are insisting, the quality of the starter is irrelevant only the fact that they are starting.
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You're the one who invented this whole a starter is a starter nonsense, not me. Lamar Miller is an effective player and a key playmaker on this offense, Thomas is not.

Saying any player does or doesn't knock us out of playoff contention is nonsense. This team has been a key win away from making the playoffs two years in a row despite all the good players we've lost each season. Except for a select few QBs around the league, its hogwash to say a team is done once a single player is gone.
 
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