Russell Wilson could have been a Miami Dolphin

[Krateness]

HUH? What do you guys see that Tannehill can do that Wilson can't? Wilson can't throw slants and outs? Wilson not as mobile? I hope Tannehill turns the corner this year and I think there's a decent chance he does but I don't understand the lack of credit given to Wilson. Let's live in reality guys! I'll drop it

For one, until Russell Wilson has to carry the type of load that Tannehill has been asked to carry these past few years in terms of attempts, I'm not convinced that Wilson is anything more than a round peg fitting into a round hole.

For one thing, name 1 other QB outside of Wilson in this league in a situation where they can throw 4 interceptions and yet still win a football game?

 

[I am Bane]

24 hours (around) till we all can watch the QB that "could of been a Miami Dolphin"

 

[Fins1971]

Was just watching NFL network and Brian Billick said that if you take RW3's 16 games with the most pass attempts and combine them into a season you would get 63% with 27 TD's and 5 Ints. He said he isn't asked to throw that mutch but when he is asked he can produce.

I decided to expand on that further. When I pulled up his 3 year stats and sort them into 3 seperate seasons by pass attempts I get the following.
The 16 games that Billick was talking about ranges from 28 to 37 pass attempts and averages 32.8 per game. Wilson has never had to attempt more than 37 passes. In those 16 games he does indeed throw for 63% with 27 TD's and 5 Ints and 3934 yards and 7.5 YPA

On the lower end of the spreadsheet is the 16 games with the least passing attempts. These range from 13 to 23 pass attempts and average 20 per game. In those 16 games he throws for almost the same 63% with 24 TD's and 7 Ints and 2870 yards and 9.0 YPA

In the middle games Wilson isn't quite as consistent. These range from 23 to 28 pass attempts and average 25.5 per game. In these 16 games he throws for 63% with 21 TD's and 14 Ints and 3146 yards and 7.7 YPA. From some reason he seem to have most of his interceptions in these middle range games. But in all 3 of the sample season he puts up a minimum of 21 TD's.

The one thing that stands out to me is the fact that the YPA drops as more passes are attempted.
9 when throwing 20, 7.7 when throwing 25 and dropping all the way to 7.5 when averaging 33.

By comparison RT17 had 6.9 YPA with 37 attempts per game.

So if Wilson is asked to throw 37 times chances are his YPA drops even more and is fairly close to RT17.

 

[royalshank]

Dude, have you seen our QB's since Dan Marino

The fact that we have a guy who is going to be a 4th year starter, putting up quality numbers and is trying to be the face of the franchise is so foreign to many of us . . . it's hard to embrace it because we aren't used to it. People whiff all the time on QB's . . . Ryan Tannehill is not a whiff, not even close (You wanna see whiffs, check out the 2011 draft). I just hope this "high ceiling" we all knew he had when we drafted him continues to need a taller ladder to reach.[/QUOTE. I think his ceiling is still higher than where he is now. He's not close to a whiff!!!

 

[royalshank]

For one, until Russell Wilson has to carry the type of load that Tannehill has been asked to carry these past few years in terms of attempts, I'm not convinced that Wilson is anything more than a round peg fitting into a round hole.

For one thing, name 1 other QB outside of Wilson in this league in a situation where they can throw 4 interceptions and yet still win a football game?

hey, I'm not going to say I wish we had Wilson. Part of it is situation but, there is no denying (for me) that he has a special "it" factor that is so rare in a professional athlete. For 57 minutes of that championship game he looked like a guy who didn't know what a football was - then he went all magic in the last three minutes and OT. That's intangibles. Having said that, I don't want him. I like Tannehill just fine!

 

[AgentXof12]

HUH? What do you guys see that Tannehill can do that Wilson can't? Wilson can't throw slants and outs? Wilson not as mobile? I hope Tannehill turns the corner this year and I think there's a decent chance he does but I don't understand the lack of credit given to Wilson. Let's live in reality guys! I'll drop it

I see Russell Wilson making a lot of deep throws that his receivers bail him out on. Regularly. He isn't asked to put the ball into the basket. He frequently makes passes that are just in the neighborhood of a potential receiver, and the Seahawks' receivers make some terrific plays to get those receptions. I give a lot of credit to Wilson for making some kind of pass that gets down field, and I give a lot of credit to his receivers for anticipating his passes and attacking the ball.

Now for what I really think (and I know you said you're dropping this topic, but I'm hoping you'll at least read and come back for one more post): If Russell Wilson had to work with "body catchers" like Hartline and Wallace, I'm hard-pressed to think he would hit deep passes to either of them. Wilson might work well with Wallace because he's able to stretch plays with his legs, but on a deep pass from Wilson is Wallace going to adjust and go up and grab the ball? It's entirely hypothetical, but I've yet to see Wallace make a play like I routinely see happening in Seahawks' games.

 

[normaldude]

It should be noted that when Russell Wilson was at Wisconsin, he set the single season NCAA Division I record for passing efficiency (191.8).

In the NFL, he continues to be an efficient passer, even when throwing to undrafted WRs Doug Baldwin & Jermaine Kearse.

Russell Wilson is simply an efficient passer, and over the long-run, his passer rating is going to be good, no matter what.

He also led all NFL QBs with 849 yds rushing (7.2 yd avg).

I have a feeling that Russell Wilson could raise the Lombardi Trophy every year, and there would still be haters saying that he's "average".

 

[Hc90]

Yea that's all great that he ran for that many yards ..... Way to not include the fact that he THREW for 3400 yards and 20 tds which is garbage

 

[normaldude]

Yea that's all great that he ran for that many yards ..... Way to not include the fact that he THREW for 3400 yards and 20 tds which is garbage

So they're not going to give Marshawn Lynch any carries? The goal is to get to the Super Bowl. Any sane coach will give Marshawn Lynch plenty of carries.

And no, a good RB does not improve QB passer rating. Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, and pre-2012 Marshawn Lynch did not make any average QBs into high passer rating QBs.

 

[iwastherein1972]

Russell Wilson is the most overrated quarterback in the nfl. Guy has a once in a generation defense behind him. Lynch is the entire offense.

Wilson on Miami would be the same thing that Tannehill or worse. We would not be in the playoffs with Wilson.

Agreed 100% and bielema is an idiot. We would be 4-12 with them in Miami instead of 8-8. We should be thankful every day that that didn't happen.

 

[NYPhin24]

hey, I'm not going to say I wish we had Wilson. Part of it is situation but, there is no denying (for me) that he has a special "it" factor that is so rare in a professional athlete. For 57 minutes of that championship game he looked like a guy who didn't know what a football was - then he went all magic in the last three minutes and OT. That's intangibles. Having said that, I don't want him. I like Tannehill just fine!

This is the problem with today's fan mindset mostly due to i believe the influence of ESPN and general media with the obsession with the QB, every "team" in the NFL should just change their "team" name to whoever their QB is

"He" went all magic is the issue, i guess Russel Wilson ran that marshawn lynch td into the endzone, Russel Wilson also intercepted himself and then decided to slide and not advance the ball with 4 minutes left in the game, then Russel Wilson for some reason decided to not knock down the hail mary pass for the 2pt conversion not Clinton Dix, also Russel Wilson then kicked a perfect onside kick, Russel Wilson then let the ball bounce of his helmet and also recovered the onside kick, then Russel Wilson flipped the coin and won the toss in OT

Wait Russel Wilson doesnt play RB, CB, K, ST ?????? Never would have guessed from all the praise on how he single handily won the game

 

[Hc90]

So they're not going to give Marshawn Lynch any carries? The goal is to get to the Super Bowl. Any sane coach will give Marshawn Lynch plenty of carries.

And no, a good RB does not improve QB passer rating. Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, and pre-2012 Marshawn Lynch did not make any average QBs into high passer rating QBs.

You flat out don't know football if you don't think a good running back improves QbR. When you have linebackers flat footed and cheating up to the line on play action fakes ..... Actually let me stop there. If you believe you're statement you don't know football... This is stuff a child learns in pop

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Give Ryan Tannehill Adrian Peterson and we'll see if he doesn't hit some more passes off of play action and have Wallace blow the top off a few more times SMH

 

[normaldude]

You flat out don't know football if you don't think a good running back improves QbR. When you have linebackers flat footed and cheating up to the line on play action fakes ..... Actually let me stop there. If you believe you're statement you don't know football... This is stuff a child learns in pop

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Give Ryan Tannehill Adrian Peterson and we'll see if he doesn't hit some more passes off of play action and have Wallace blow the top off a few more times SMH

Funny how Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, and pre-2012 Marshawn Lynch did not make any average QBs into high passer rating QBs.

 

[normaldude]

Give Ryan Tannehill Adrian Peterson and we'll see if he doesn't hit some more passes off of play action and have Wallace blow the top off a few more times SMH

Ryan Tannehill + Mike Wallace have NEVER hit the deep ball in stride. EVER.

In order for Mike Wallace to blow the top off a defense, he needs to be paired with a QB like Ben Roethlisberger or Russell Wilson.

 

[Hc90]

Funny how Lynch has more yards rushing than Wilson passing in two of his "spectacular playoff wins " including last week where Wilson threw 4 ints and was still in the game because of his defense vs Rodgers lol. Any other qb in the league throws 4 ints and he's down 30 points . Lol oh lord