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Ryan Tannehill 2013: QB Pressure, Completion %, Deep Passing, & YPA Statistics

2413fanphins said:
can you provide me a link to where anybody says... " tannehill deserves no blame" for anything offense related. you've been this drum time and time again, and yet I never read anyone saying "tannehill deserves NO blame" I dont know that I have ever read that even one time on this site from any poster...

so please, for the love of God, give me a link to a single sentence where a poster says. "tannehill deserves Zero blame"... please.
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i dont need someone to ****ing say those exact words to know where peoples stance are on him.

i have enough common sense to be able to tell someones opinion without them exactly stating those words.

if you cant tell certain peoples opinions unless they say the exact words, i cant help you.

considering all i here is people blaming the o line, and they never mention the qb, its pretty much indirectly not putting any blame on the qb, even though they may not exactly state the words '' tannehill is not to blame at all'.
 
ryan tannehill played about like you woudl expect a 2nd year qb to play this year.

I'll ask again, can someobody please provide me a link where any tannehill supporter, in particular, myself, silverfin, finfaninbuffalo, hoops, etc etc... EVER said that tannehill deserved zero blame for any of the offensive woes... particularly i recall hoops and myself and others consistently bitching about the putrid OL, yes even when we WON, because guess what... we won despite the poor play of the OL from time to time...

so please a link where any of us stated that " ryan tannehill deserves zero blame"... otherwise quit ****in saying it was said.
 
bird33 said:
wow man you must be lauren tannehill buffalofan, you defend this guy like hes truly without a doubt the franchise. i dont get it, what qb were you watching this year? his worst 2 games of the year were the last 2, which were also the most important. i guess that doesnt mean a thing right? like when the pressure was on he completely played awful and was the biggest reason why we weren't in the postseason.... face it, the chips were dwon and he fell on his face, dont let your love of the man blind you.
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He's even had to become an expert in statistical commentary in the process, to fend off the likes of me. :unsure:
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
i dont need someone to ****ing say those exact words to know where peoples stance are on him.

i have enough common sense to be able to tell someones opinion without them exactly stating those words.

if you cant tell certain peoples opinions unless they say the exact words, i cant help you.

considering all i here is people blaming the o line, and they never mention the qb, its pretty much indirectly not putting any blame on the qb, even though they may not exactly state the words '' tannehill is not to blame at all'.
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which is to say that it was never said. got it. thank you.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
As the other poster said, find something to back this up. You won't find it from me.
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ok fine, will make this clear so i know where you stand.

how much would you say was the qbs fault this season for poor offense and how much was the o lines fault?

like do you think it was 90 percent o line and 10 qb, just curious as to what you believe so we can put this to rest.
 
bird33 said:
wow man you must be lauren tannehill buffalofan, you defend this guy like hes truly without a doubt the franchise. i dont get it, what qb were you watching this year? his worst 2 games of the year were the last 2, which were also the most important. i guess that doesnt mean a thing right? like when the pressure was on he completely played awful and was the biggest reason why we weren't in the postseason.... face it, the chips were dwon and he fell on his face, dont let your love of the man blind you.
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Let me know when you get a clue.
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
ok, so i guess someone needs to exactly say the words to believe someone one way or another.

i guess you are not smart enough to interpret someones opinions towards something unless they directly say it.
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or i just dont put words in peoples mouth. either way.

of course if it fit my agenda, than by george I would fit the argument however i needed to.

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if we are playing the percentage game I'd put tannehill at fault at perhaps 20-30%, OL somewhere around 40-50% and the addtional 20%ish on the staff, particularly the OC.
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
ok fine, will make this clear so i know where you stand.

how much would you say was the qbs fault this season for poor offense and how much was the o lines fault?

like do you think it was 90 percent o line and 10 qb, just curious as to what you believe so we can put this to rest.
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Just off the top of my head...

50-60% pass blocking, 15-20% running game, 10% play calling, remainder on the QB. That puts 10-25% on the QB.
 
It's not that some people are absolving Tannehill of blame completely, but that they believe, based on no objective evidence whatsoever, that he would play significantly better with improvements in the areas of the team perceived as "weak."

Last year it was "weapons." This year it's the offensive line, the running game, and the offensive coordinator.

While those ideas may be plausible in theory, there is nowhere near any sort of guarantee they would play out in reality, especially when there is nothing consistent with them to be found in the available objective evidence, i.e., the game-to-game correlations between Tannehill's play and running game variables, sacks, etc.

If you're going to believe that it's such a certainty that Tannehill would play better with a better surrounding cast, at least first find evidence that he already does play better when he gets that sort of support, i.e., when the running game and/or the pass protection is better.

If you can't find that, I think you have to stick with the idea that the matter is a complete unknown.

Would we like to see him play better? Sure. Do we know he will? Hell no.
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
ok fine, will make this clear so i know where you stand.

how much would you say was the qbs fault this season for poor offense and how much was the o lines fault?

like do you think it was 90 percent o line and 10 qb, just curious as to what you believe so we can put this to rest.
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BTW, I posted this TO YOU in another thread:

He played a part in the problems, yes. A big part in a game or two, but a big part for the whole season? NO F'N WAY.
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How the hell does that equate to me giving no blame to Tannehill?
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
BTW, I posted this TO YOU in another thread:



How the hell does that equate to me giving no blame to Tannehill?
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it was more than a game or two, he stunk vs buffalo twice, he stunk vs baltimore, he stunk vs the jets game 2, he was not very good vs tampa, vs carolina, vs the pats game 1, plenty of games.

again this is a 1st round pick we r talking about, standards should be raised, if this was a 5th round back up qb who had to come in out of nowhere and play and he played like tannehill did, not that it would be acceptable, but it would be easier to take because ur not expecting much to begin with.

tannehill needs to start playing like a very good qb. he was drafted to lead our franchise back to the glory days, not to continue with mediocrity year after year. if we wanted mediocrity, we could have stuck with henne or moore for a lot less and go 7-9 .

tannehill needs to be a leader, and leaders dont make excuses. they go out and ****ing make plays and carry there teams, like brady, peyton, rodgers, etc have done.
 
I'd love to see the stats where a deep ball is 25+ or 30+ yards in the air. 20 yards in the air doesn't feel "deep enough".
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
it was more than a game or two, he stunk vs buffalo twice, he stunk vs baltimore, he stunk vs the jets game 2, he was not very good vs tampa, vs carolina, vs the pats game 1, plenty of games.

again this is a 1st round pick we r talking about, standards should be raised, if this was a 5th round back up qb who had to come in out of nowhere and play and he played like tannehill did, not that it would be acceptable, but it would be easier to take because ur not expecting much to begin with.

tannehill needs to start playing like a very good qb. he was drafted to lead our franchise back to the glory days, not to continue with mediocrity year after year. if we wanted mediocrity, we could have stuck with henne or moore for a lot less and go 7-9 .

tannehill needs to be a leader, and leaders dont make excuses. they go out and ****ing make plays and carry there teams, like brady, peyton, rodgers, etc have done.
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Tannehill was actually damn good against Baltimore.
 
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