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ryan tannehill....dave hyde's a believer

Hyde's opinion carries a lot of weight with me. He has a way of keeping things in perspective.
 
Phinatic8u said:
He's more credible than Omar.
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This. I swear Omar think he could actually be a coach for the Dolphins. LOL. I wish they would get another beat writer so I could stop following his idiotic twitter feed.
 
Little early on the anoiting oil.... yes....

The QB position looks solid... lots of moving parts in this offense... it's going to take some time.

The true concern imo is not the QB position but the OL.... it won't matter who is pulling the trigger if someones in his face the whole day....
 
Most people are early with the annointing oil and also early with the last rites oil.

I think in this case the latter created the former. Everyone was soooo sure that Tannehill needs to be babied around and handled with kid gloves, we should never expect him to start this year, he shouldn't even be allowed to compete, that's why it's OK that our General Manager got us into a holdout situation with him...because he's way behind and can't start.

Ryan's first two days of camp participation were a jolt to that idea.
 
I don't remember henne getting any buzz like this his rookie season. certainly not this early in training camp.
 
Tempered enthusiasm. It's tough not to get excited because since the dawn of today's instantaneous coverage and sometimes smothering reports, a QB has not generated this much buzz in a Dolphins camp. I'll go a step further, and say I don't recall a player causing this much of a stir. Although you may not agree with a beat writer or analyst, they have been attending camps for years in most cases and have a good gauge on what they are witnessing.

If reports are accurate, and Hyde is an even keeled guy, the ceiling is very high with a guy performing this well and having only 19 college starts.
 
About Tannehill and batted passes. Yes he has had some of his passes batted, however, sometimes it was more a team mistake than his.

Example - 5 times this last year the right DE made great plays and knocked down Tanny's pass. Texas A&M had two sophomore Tackles. Luke Joekel and Mike Mathews. Both are very talented (Joekel 1st round grade this year, Mathews 2-3), but never the less very young. One pf Sherman's favorite plays was a RB screen to the left (over the LT and right DE). Sherm would run it over and over! The Left Tackle's job was to engage the DE and cut him at the knees so an easy pass could be made to the RB. However, Sherm ran that play SO MUCH that the DE on occasion would run up to the Left Tackle and then back off. The LT would fall forward because he was faked out - leaving the DE standing there, ready to bat the ball down.

Tanny would rely on the LT to take the DE down, the play was predetermined, and the LT failed on occasion and would be in a position to tip the pass (or worse). Counting on team mates sucks sometimes. I think the reason for the batted passes, and many of Tanny's ints were due to calling the same plays over and over - Sherm was very predictable. DBs would RARELY get out of their back pedal and would just camp on the 10 yard curl, or 10 yard out. Gruden called it when he had Tanny on his QB show. "You threw a lot of out patterns didn't you Ryan".... "Yes sir"..."Well looking at your tape you probably threw 17 times more out patters than any other QB last year"..... "Yes sir".... All those out patterns and 10 yard curl patterns to the other side of the field are NFL throws. But even with that cannon, when the play is already known by the defense, what do you do? Just kneel the ball? :)
 
CK.... agree about the oils... both are used too early and too often....

You know the phrase... "best chance to win"... is not far away..... imo they have nothing to lose by holding Tanny back a while.... OL in flux.... WR's are inexperienced.... new system with probably no more than 60-70% installed.... I'm not seeing Danny when I look at Tanny... and he didn't start the season either.....
 
thedayafter said:
CK.... agree about the oils... both are used too early and too often....

You know the phrase... "best chance to win"... is not far away..... imo they have nothing to lose by holding Tanny back a while.... OL in flux.... WR's are inexperienced.... new system with probably no more than 60-70% installed.... I'm not seeing Danny when I look at Tanny... and he didn't start the season either.....
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Two completely different QBs. Also Big Ben didn't start the season as a rookie either, yet clearly in hindsight, Danny and Big Ben should've been Day 1 starters. So what does that tell us?
 
MD.... No question it's nice to see the juices flowing.... we've been running on empty for so long.... but let's have some composure.... and let this develop.
 
thedayafter said:
I'm not seeing Danny when I look at Tanny... and he didn't start the season either.....
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Well, the bad news is that you are right, he is not Dan Marino. The good news is that nobody is Dan Marino, and that with today's rules, you don't need to be Dan Marino to break his records!

So let's give the kid a shot.
 
WB3..... If there was a perfect formula... everyone would do it.... but we know that's not the case..... imo the coaching staff will need to see the OL established before they put Tanny under center...
 
Lord Of Miami said:
A lot of his plays at Texas A@M were per snap reads, so he hasn't had a lot of experience reading the whole field during plays.

He's been trained to target a player before the play starts on most plays, so good DLmen that watch a lot of tape know where the ball is going so they put hands up and then they have a shot at batting the ball down.

And he doesn't pat the ball......................have you even seen him play, because from this post , sure doesn't sound like it, and you would know if he was patting the ball if you had seen just five min's of him playing...................lol crazy.

Also you wanted Luck or the kid from USC " or someone else " and everything else was trash, you said lol and now that we drafted him you want him to start , lol to funny.
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I have seen him play and he did pat the ball on occasion but for your reading pleasure:

Negatives: Worked heavily out of the shotgun. A bit duck-footed — noticeable in his drops. Carries the ball low and tends to pat it — too much wasted motion in delivery. Release point often drops low, resulting in too many batted balls. Developing field vision and passing instincts. Can be rattled by the blitz — eyes drop to pressure. Seldom steps up in the pocket. Ball placement is inconsistent. Muddled decision-maker. Frequently bird-dogs his primary target, telegraphing passes and forcing the ball. Streaky performer — flustered by onset of adversity and too often did not come through in the clutch. Wound too tightly. Is coming off foot surgery, and durability needs to be examined.
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http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/ryan-tannehill-17/

"I have him rated as the 19th best player in the draft, which tells you I don't think he's ready to be a heavy contributor this year. I watched every throw he made on tape this year. All the out-breaking routes are phenomenal. Where he gets in trouble are the in-breaking routes where he stares the receiver down, pats the ball and throws interceptions."
-Mike Mayock, former NFL safety and current NFL Network analyst
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Watch this video from Mike Mayock about Tannehill and watch Tannehill throw and tell me he's not patting the ball. Of the first 5 or so passes in the video he pats the ball...have you seen him play?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d827e9373/Mayock-on-Ryan-Tannehill
 
RegGuy.... oh.. he will get his chance.... no question.... once things settle down
 
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