Ryan Tannehill: The Objective Evidence

[Shouright]

We are polling Americans, who have the right to choose one party or another. Just like how I polled dolphins fans who can choose what they feel is most wrong with the team. Again, by your logic, gallup polls are worthless and don't provide insight.... which couldn't be further from the truth.

By your logic, gallup polls should include non Americans because, you know, who better would know what's happening in this country than someone who lives outside the country. Great logic.

/insert meaningless smiley face here

Dude, when you poll "Americans," you poll a random sample of the population, which makes you just as likely to get one kind of person as you are to get another. Do you think you're getting any sort of random sample here, or do you think you're getting 1) Dolphins fans, who 2) want to see Ryan Tannehill succeed? Come on already.

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_random_sample

 

[Trucanes99]

Dude, when you poll "Americans," you poll a random sample of the population, which makes you just as likely to get one kind of person as you are to get another. Do you think you're getting any sort of random sample here, or do you think you're getting 1) Dolphins fans, who 2) want to see Ryan Tannehill succeed? Come on already.

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_random_sample

Yes, I'm taking a random sample of dolphins fans. There's an equal chance for there to be tannehill haters as there are for there to be tannehill supporters. Moreover, my poll didn't ask a biased question such as : "do you want tannehill to succeed"... had I done that, you'd have a point, but similar to you bringing up a completely unrelated and biased poll shows you have no real point.

You just don't like that poll because it completely disproves your delusional take on what's really wrong with this team.

 

[iambanned]

"and clearly not the main problem of this team."

With that amount of turnovers by him, exclusively, as well as the inability to handle the rush and freeze like a deer-in-headlights, you can definitely make the case that Tannehill is as much the 'main problem of the team' as anything else.

Sad, though, but the people that worried that Tannehill might get 'David Carr'd have some evidence mounting up in their favor. The cumulative effect of the sacks this year seem to be manifesting in worse and worse handling of pressure by Tannehill.

 

[Trucanes99]

Shou, how are you ever taken seriously?

What I'm gathering from your drivel is that my poll would be more statistically accurate had I included non dolphins fans, which just makes absolutely no sense. By your logic, the poll data would have improved if I had included a bunch of 80 year old grandmother's who have never watched a single fins game.

The reason Americans only are included in gallup polls regarding America's elections is because we know more about our own country than a random foreigner does. How do you not understand this?

Dolphins fans get polled when the subject matter of the poll is the dolphins. Why? Because we know our team better than an outsider. Really, it's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

 

[Trucanes99]

"and clearly not the main problem of this team."

With that amount of turnovers by him, exclusively, as well as the inability to handle the rush and freeze like a deer-in-headlights, you can definitely make the case that Tannehill is as much the 'main problem of the team' as anything else.

Sad, though, but the people that worried that Tannehill might get 'David Carr'd have some evidence mounting up in their favor. The cumulative effect of the sacks this year seem to be manifesting in worse and worse handling of pressure by Tannehill.

If you only look at statistics and don't actually watch the games, you'll easily be misguided.

 

[Shouright]

Yes, I'm taking a random sample of dolphins fans. There's an equal chance for there to be tannehill haters as there are for there to be tannehill supporters. Moreover, my poll didn't ask a biased question such as : "do you want tannehill to succeed"... had I done that, you'd have a point, but similar to you bringing up a completely unrelated and biased poll shows you have no real point.

You just don't like that poll because it completely disproves your delusional take on what's really wrong with this team.

I don't think you're understanding what I mean, and I doubt you ever will. The point is that you're polling people who want to see one outcome and don't want to see another. Whether we're Tannehill "lovers" or "haters," we all want him to become an elite QB because it would very likely mean our favorite team would be highly competitive. That means we're likely to be biased to disabuse Tannehill of blame for his problems and place that blame onto other aspects of the team, which is exactly what your poll focused on, so as to preserve more of our hope in that future outcome.

That'll be my last try to get that point across. Have at it from here. :up:

 

[So Be]

Dude, when you poll "Americans," you poll a random sample of the population, which makes you just as likely to get one kind of person as you are to get another. Do you think you're getting any sort of random sample here, or do you think you're getting 1) Dolphins fans, who 2) want to see Ryan Tannehill succeed? Come on already.

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_random_sample

JMO but, I would rather read War and Peace over all the stats you are providing. They are saying little.

 

[Shouright]

If you only look at statistics and don't actually watch the games, you'll easily be misguided.

Do you really think there's a single person here who would take the time to 1) sign up for a message board like this, 2) read what's going on in it, and 3) post responses to it, and not watch the games? :unsure:

Again, I don't think you're aware of exactly what kind of population you're dealing with here. This is a very select subgroup even among Dolphins fans in general, for that matter. There are a whole lot of Dolphins fans out there who aren't anywhere near as emotionally invested in this team as we are.

 

[Zounds]

What he's a measuring stick for is the reliability of the forum's quarterback appraisals, and the fact that you haven't yet grasped that is....

What you haven't grasped is that some guy's vote in a poll on a QB from 2008, under different coaches and different circumstances, has no bearing on my evaluation (or anyone else) of our current QB today.

What you are saying is that because some guys who voted in a poll 4 years ago thought Chad Henne would succeed, now every fans evaluating a QB for their respective team is discredited? That's a bunch of bull**** and you know it.

 

[Shouright]

JMO but, I would rather read War and Peace over all the stats you are providing. They are saying little.

To each his own. Go read War and Peace then. :)

 

[Zounds]

Do you really think there's a single person here who would take the time to 1) sign up for a message board like this, 2) read what's going on in it, and 3) post responses to it, and not watch the games? :unsure:

You come to mind

 

[Trucanes99]

I don't think you're understanding what I mean, and I doubt you ever will. The point is that you're polling people who want to see one outcome and don't want to see another. Whether we're Tannehill "lovers" or "haters," we all want him to become an elite QB because it would very likely mean our favorite team would be highly competitive. That means we're likely to be biased to disabuse Tannehill of blame for his problems and place that blame onto other aspects of the team, which is exactly what your poll focused on, so as to preserve more of our hope in that future outcome.

That'll be my last try to get that point across. Have at it from here. :up:

Wow. Just, wow.

A) What you are describing is the Henne poll you inexplicably brought up. That was very narrowly focused and biased.
B) What youre saying is the majority of dolphins fans are afraid of claiming their qb is the main issue with this team (even though he clearly isn't, except you want this to be the case).

If I thought RT was the main problem, I would have had no problem voting him as the main problem.

Just because you can't think for yourself doesn't mean you should assume the rest of us dolphins fans can't either.

 

[So Be]

To each his own. Go read War and Peace then. :)

Never happen, just trying to tell ya to tone it down a little, as few are even reading what you post. Your obsession has alienated most, who want to disagree before reading what you have to say, and I am agreeing with them. True story.

 

[Shouright]

Wow. Just, wow.

A) What you are describing is the Henne poll you inexplicably brought up. That was very narrowly focused and biased.
B) What youre saying is the majority of dolphins fans are afraid of claiming their qb is the main issue with this team (even though he clearly isn't, except you want this to be the case).

If I thought RT was the main problem, I would have had no problem voting him as the main problem.

Just because you can't think for yourself doesn't mean you should assume the rest of us dolphins fans can't either.

The Henne poll was biased too! All polls here are biased!

That's the point! The results of any poll here reflect inherent bias, due to selective sampling!

The Henne poll was biased just like yours, to "see" a player for better than he really was! It's impossible to escape that here! :)

---------- Post added at 04:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:28 PM ----------

Never happen, just trying to tell ya to tone it down a little, as few are even reading what you post. Your obsession has alienated most, who want to disagree before reading what you have to say, and I am agreeing with them. True story.

Like I said, to each his own.

That said, we're here to talk about the Miami Dolphins, not some guy named "shouright" on a message board. When you want to return to the Dolphins, let me know. :)

 

[Zounds]

I don't think you're understanding what I mean, and I doubt you ever will. The point is that you're polling people who want to see one outcome and don't want to see another.

Do you even understand how scientific polling works and the techniques used to do public polling? Your ignorance is baffling. You are in the information age and have access to the internet, so obviously your ignorance is a choice.