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Ryan Tannehill's Divergence from Chad Henne?

Awsi Dooger said:
I still can't stop laughing at the posters who persist in singling out Colin Kaepernick. That's just begging to make a fool out of yourself. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, because the fan and media theme of the past 6 weeks or so has been anti-Kaepernick. Jim Harbaugh knew what he was doing. You win with big plays down the field. That ability surfaces in the most significant games. Kaepernick has always demonstrated that trait. He averaged between 7.3 and 8.8 YPA in all four seasons he started at Nevada. He pulled out the Boise State game with big plays throughout the second half, helped by our own Rishard Matthews. Alex Smith and his lifetime 6.5 YPA is just enough to get you beat, the modern day Steve DeBerg, another guy who averaged below 7 for his career. The subjective types make an honest effort but since they are invariably clutching the 40 or 45% variables as opposed to the 55 or 60% variables, it's a steady downward grind. No kidding it's partially a team stat. In the ideal setting a quarterback can artificially boost his numbers. I remember when Harbaugh himself had one bizarre season with the Colts, far beyond his norm. Likewise with DeBerg late in his career, when he was with the Chiefs and Christian Okoye was in his prime. That running game combined with DeBerg's clever play action boosted his YPA numbers for a couple of years. I appreciate that type of thing for regular season wagers. You can take a smart basic quarterback and dominate reeling foes, like the Chiefs over the Redskins last week. But down the road you can't allow yourself to be fooled. In the playoffs raw ability is at the forefront and the overmatched quarterbacks are throttled while the talented guys tend to reach new heights. Kaepernick averaged nearly 10 YPA in the playoffs last season for three full games. Yet we've got geniuses here who want to denounce if not mock him based on a handful of games in October and November. Sheer brilliance. Gee, I wonder how many games Harbaugh would have won at Stanford and with the 49ers if he had similar level of analysis? Anyway, Tannehill underachieved in midseason, partially due to our low number of rushes. That is a killer, the same type of thing that has plagued the Colts since Reggie Wayne's injury. As I've emphasized countless times, only the absolute premier quarterbacks can break all the rules and abuse shotgun and empty set looks with low number of rushes. Luck is not there yet, and Tannehill probably will never get there. We need to make sure Tannehill receives 25+ rushes per game with increased play action and fewer shot gun snaps. Geez, that's the same thing I posted in preseason. YPA is a tool. Chad Henne lacks the tools to have a successful long term YPA, with his long delivery, lack of touch, and inability to rescue a play. There's no question we have a superior guy. Tannehill's upside is the questionmark. All you guys with the happy adjustments won't have to depend on them if he ever achieves 7.5+ YPA. Funny how that works.
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How do you conclude that Luck will get there but Tannehill probably never will? Just asking.
 
DisturbedShifty said:
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shouright...give up posting all these meaningless stats...its ****ing stupid. seriously, if you need to look at stats to know tannegill is better than henne you are either not watching games or just stupid. that's all there is to it.
 
I don't know if I look at the numbers, looks like Tannehill's are better...
 
Nawledge said:
shouright...give up posting all these meaningless stats...its ****ing stupid. seriously, if you need to look at stats to know tannegill is better than henne you are either not watching games or just stupid. that's all there is to it.
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MadDog 88 said:
There is nothing wrong with statistics to assist what you see in determining an opinion when there is subjective influence.
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Well Tanne has had a great 2nd half of the year so far (ironically after we replaced his left tackle) and.......*checks watch*.....yup Henne still sucks. So I GUESS they've diverged. Success.

Great, glad we had that discussion.
 
russianbear said:
Well Tanne has had a great 2nd half of the year so far (ironically after we replaced his left tackle) and.......*checks watch*.....yup Henne still sucks. So I GUESS they've diverged. Success.

Great, glad we had that discussion.
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I agree they've diverged, actually, but more as a function of Henne's downward trajectory since early- to mid-2010, and less as a function of Ryan Tannehill's trajectory.
 
shouright said:
I agree they've diverged, actually, but more as a function of Henne's downward trajectory since early- to mid-2010, and less as a function of Ryan Tannehill's trajectory.
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Are you saying Henne has gotten considerably worse since he left Miami? I would agree it has more to do with Henne sucking than Tanne being great, and that's kind of why I think this thread gets more bash than praise.
 
russianbear said:
Are you saying Henne has gotten considerably worse since he left Miami? I would agree it has more to do with Henne sucking than Tanne being great, and that's kind of why I think this thread gets more bash than praise.
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I don't think he's gotten considerably worse since he left Miami. I think he got considerably worse when he started passing the ball downfield at a rate no different from the league norm, in 2010.

See here:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...away-from-statistics-and-paint-the-pictu.html
 
this has to be somewhere in the neighborhood of the 50-55th, 1 or 2 star thread I have seen on FH from the master stats guy that is SHOURIGHT>
 
I think it's obvious which is better between the two. Tannehill has a better arm, is much more accurate, has WAY more touch on this passes (Henne couldn't make a RZ play to save his life) has better pocket presence, is a better runner, doesn't just drop like a sack of potatoes every time someone touches him, doesn't look like a robot out there, and doesn't look like a goober. I will say Henne had a better deep ball at this point though. But Henne would just straight up miss throw way too often. If we had Henne with this team, I think he would be getting slaughtered. I think we would be around 4-9 and average like 12 ppg.
 
2413fanphins said:
this has to be somewhere in the neighborhood of the 50-55th, 1 or 2 star thread I have seen on FH from the master stats guy that is SHOURIGHT>
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Maybe he's an employee of Bob Kraft at the cheese factory and they have promoted him from Cheez whizz quality control to Miami Dolphin statistical analysis or maybe he's still on retainer to promote Chad Henne and his glorious Dolphin legacy.
 
The fourth game of that season was home against the pats. What a coincidence, after that debacle, Henne fell of the face of the earth.....so to revert to my opinion thread, this may be a franchise changing game for us. We beat this team and get the monkey off our backs, it can propel us to close strong and make a playoff push.
 
It's all beginning to make sense now. Shouright's true identity has been revealed.

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