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LSUTigah said:
By no means is he a perfect game day coach, but I would be hard pressed to find a better one than Saban. You fans will really be surprised, but he will have the phins playing better than the national media is giving them credit for. I still predit at least 10 wins this year.

I agree. 10-6 is what I expect to see out of Miami this year. Many Dolphins fans will be surprised by the turnaround. Going from Wanny to Saban is about the biggest change a team can make. Night and day, really.

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Peter King said it himself in the piece he did about the top 5 coaches, college or pro, in football.. He has seen very few coaches that can make "in-game" adjustments as well as Nick Saban. He's as good as anyone about identifying "in-game" issues and correcting them. Everyone talking about the LSU-Iowa game, and Nick to this day has put NO BLAME on the player himself, but other players and coaches have said it, that player had a simple brain fart and was out of position, hardly a mistake you can put on Saban's shoulders.
 
SabanScience said:
I am a huge Saban fan, but by no means is he perfect. I'm sure that there are people within the Dolphins organization that don't like him already. Saban doesn't know how to handle every player. For example, Dimitrious Underwood played for Saban at Michigan State and Nick couldn't motivate him to play during his junior year. I could give many more examples of interpersonal problems with players, coaches on his staff, boosters, etc. to support this argument; but I don't think it will be beneficial to the discussion. Nick's strength is not personal interaction. I imagine that this response will not be popular on this board, but it's the truth.

Nick's strength lies in everything else.

1. Saban knows football like no one else. Nick coached at MSU for 10 years. The other Spartan coaches were amazed by his abilities. He would see the smallest details on the other side of the field when the play happened that the other coaches would have to discover in analyzing the game film the following week. It could be a holding penalty, a hand flinch at the snap, a receiver stepping on the sideline, etc. Don't worry, Nick sees it.

2. He knows personnel. There is a reason why he went out and got Kevin Carter right off the bat. He knows that he brings the size, experience, and attitude to make the Dolphins winners. There is a reason why the Dolphins haven't gone after Ty Law. Don't worry, Nick knows.

3. Nick does tend to be a little more conservative than most coaches. He'll talk about wanting to have a balanced offense, but deep in his heart, when it's third and two, Saban wants to give the ball to his big running back and have him plow ahead for a first down.

4. Clock management? I think he is above average. I think at times he may put too much faith in his defense. If the Dolphins are up by 3, with 2 minutes left and the opponent has the ball at their own 20; Saban feels comfortable. He trusts his defense to make the stop. This sounds like a good thing, right? Well, it is but it also gives you an idea of what else to expect. Take that same situation except the Dolphins have the ball at the opponent's 40 yard line and it's 4th and 1, some coaches may decide to go for it to put the game away. Saban probably punts it away because he feels more comfortable letting his defense try to win the game.

5. What will cause Saban to lose it on the sidelines? If his defense gives up two big plays back to back, look out. Saban will run down the sideline screaming at the defensive back that blew the coverage. He can't stand watching those kinds of mental mistakes on defense. Don't expect to see the same thing on offense. If Feeley throws a pick, Saban will clap his hands as the offense comes off the field to try to keep their morale up.



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Very informative! Thanks! One thought about #3 is that a more balanced attack than what we have had would allow us more third and 2 opportunities to plow it ahead. We just couldn't get to third and short last year. Great post!
 
I'm curious to see how wide open the offense will be (Linehan effect?). The Saban I saw at LSU was fairly conservative. If he does that here (even if he's right) there will be many complaints. Wanny was often criticized for being too conservative even when he made the right or smart call.
 
rafael said:
I'm curious to see how wide open the offense will be (Linehan effect?). The Saban I saw at LSU was fairly conservative. If he does that here (even if he's right) there will be many complaints. Wanny was often criticized for being too conservative even when he made the right or smart call.


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fishfan34 said:
Peter King said it himself in the piece he did about the top 5 coaches, college or pro, in football.. He has seen very few coaches that can make "in-game" adjustments as well as Nick Saban. He's as good as anyone about identifying "in-game" issues and correcting them. Everyone talking about the LSU-Iowa game, and Nick to this day has put NO BLAME on the player himself, but other players and coaches have said it, that player had a simple brain fart and was out of position, hardly a mistake you can put on Saban's shoulders.

Who were the other coaches King mentioned?
 
rafael said:
I'm curious to see how wide open the offense will be (Linehan effect?). The Saban I saw at LSU was fairly conservative. If he does that here (even if he's right) there will be many complaints. Wanny was often criticized for being too conservative even when he made the right or smart call.


As someone who has watch nearly every LSU game during Saban's 5 years, I would never call him conservative. His defense was continually aggressive and his offense was mainly left in the hands of the Offensive Coordinator. And the offense was always a reflection of the talent on the team during that particular year. Rohan Davey's senior year re-wrote the offensive record books at LSU. What Saban does do is not run-up the score on a team. He won't embarrass any opponent. And sometimes people mistake that as conservative. Saban will tell you his favorite play is the QB taking a knee - because that means the game is a victory. If a QB can run the clock out by taking a knee, Saban will do it every time. As fans, we always want to see the offense score just one more time, but Saban won't do it if victory is assured. The only stat he cares about is W's and L's.
 
LSUTigah said:
As someone who has watch nearly every LSU game during Saban's 5 years, I would never call him conservative. His defense was continually aggressive and his offense was mainly left in the hands of the Offensive Coordinator. And the offense was always a reflection of the talent on the team during that particular year. Rohan Davey's senior year re-wrote the offensive record books at LSU. What Saban does do is not run-up the score on a team. He won't embarrass any opponent. And sometimes people mistake that as conservative. Saban will tell you his favorite play is the QB taking a knee - because that means the game is a victory. If a QB can run the clock out by taking a knee, Saban will do it every time. As fans, we always want to see the offense score just one more time, but Saban won't do it if victory is assured. The only stat he cares about is W's and L's.

I personally have no problem with the offense I saw Saban run. However, my experience on this board tells me that several here will call it conservative and they'll mean it as a negative.
 
Isn't Hank Goldberg upset with Saban and/or the dolphins in some form or fashion?

I thought I heard this somewhere, maybe somebody can confirm this. It might just be a rumor, but if anyone knows for sure let me know.
 
Wow, I thought as a Gator fan who sees alot of SEC football and the LSU Tigers I could give some insight. I dont think I can add much more than to voice my apreciation for SabanScience's analysis
 
claytonAndDuper said:
what types of coverages does saban prefer?

He'll mix it up a bit, but he'll play a lot of cover two. When the opposing offense gets into the Dolphins red zone, he'll blitz on almost every play (corners in man coverage, one safety blitzing, one safety covering the slants over the middle).

Thanks for the positive comments regarding my previous post.

As the season approaches, I'll post more about some of the position specific things that Saban wants to see out of the team. I'm eager to see how long it will take for this team to develop on defense.

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