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Sacks Have Little to Nothing to Do with NFL Quarterback Play and Winning

FinfanInBuffalo said:
Okay sure..... :rolleyes2:
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Sounds like you're incapable of understanding the original point, which I think has been displayed throughout the thread on your part.

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Nawledge said:
shouright your stats are stupid. just stop.
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We're all entitled to our own opinions. ;)
 
shouright said:
Like I said, the provision of additional statistics in no way refutes or nullifies the ones presented in the original post.

Once again, you're hearing yourself better than you're hearing me. I'm making a circumscribed point, and the one you're hearing in your own mind is much broader, which then leads you to believe that sacks differential is relevant to what I was saying originally, when it really isn't.

Once again, from the original post -- note the bolded portion:
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why word u take season sack stats and try to correlate it to wins? u would do it like fin faninbuffalo did...
 
Nawledge said:
why word u take season sack stats and try to correlate it to wins? u would do it like fin faninbuffalo did...
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Because the Dolphins led the league in the number of times their own quarterback was sacked.
 
Nawledge said:
shouright your stats are stupid. just stop.
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There is also this:

If we average the expected points of all situations in which there wasn't a sack, and compare it with the average expected points following plays that did result in a sack, we get a difference of 2.0 points. In effect, a sack swings the balance of the game by an average of 2 points in favor of the defense, either by forcing a punt or a longer FG try, or even just putting a team in a predictable passing situation. That's a big swing for a single play. A turnover is generally worth 4 points, so a sack could be thought of as half as good as a fumble or interception.
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http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/11/value-of-sack.html


This is exactly what I told him pages ago. Sacks can be equated to points and points impact wins. He doesn't understand how stats should be used.
 
and like I already said...if you can't see that sacks and pressure affect the qb and offense while watching football then I'd have to assume u don't watch games u just check the box score on NFL.com

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FinfanInBuffalo said:
There is also this:


http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/11/value-of-sack.html


This is exactly what I told him pages ago. Sacks can be equated to points and points impact wins. He doesn't understand how stats should be used.
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shouright thinks he's smart or something because he uses words like correlate and variable...lol his stats are just flat out stupid.

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shouright said:
Because the Dolphins led the league in the number of times their own quarterback was sacked.
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yea...so? a qb could get sacked 8 times in one game and 0 in another...see how flawed your stats are???
 
shouright said:
Because the Dolphins led the league in the number of times their own quarterback was sacked.
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If their QB was sacked 0 times, their sack differential would have improved by +58. That would have led to more wins. You seem to think the Dolphins offense was playing against your spreadsheet.
 
shouright said:
No. Please help me understand how that indicates a flaw.
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if a qb is sacked 8 times in a game and the opposing qb is sacked 0 times the chances of the qb with 0 sacks has a better chance of winning...dude its really not that hard to get u really don't need stats for this.
 
Nawledge said:
if a qb is sacked 8 times in a game and the opposing qb is sacked 0 times the chances of the qb with 0 sacks has a better chance of winning...dude its really not that hard to get u really don't need stats for this.
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What is the relationship between how often a team is sacked in a season and its win percentage?

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FinfanInBuffalo said:
Now you are going to say points don't matter? :crazy:

I know the correlation between point differential and wins. :lol:
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How about between points and wins?
 
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