Samson Satele?

[NCFINFAN13]

And he went on to say:



Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...d-according-to-joe-philbin.html#storylink=cpy

So he could have said "Sherman is an excellent football coach, why in the hell would I fire him?" But he didn't. And I'm pretty sure no coach would out a potential firing before its happened to any reporter let alone Armando.

Interesingly, Philbin did not wish to fire his "mentor." The coach had previously defended Sherman as an "excellent" football coach. But owner Stephen Ross wanted Sherman out after the Dolphins scored only one touchdown in the season's final two games when the playoffs were on the line.

Ross, however, could not actually fire Sherman as he had signed over hiring and firing power to Philbin in his contract. But obviously, rather than defy his boss, Philbin did as the owner wished.

In fulfilling his owner's desire to "relieve Sherman" of his duties, Philbin accomplished something very important: He solidified his own job sta

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...-source-fires-mike-sherman.html#storylink=cpy

http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/4456/can-joe-philbin-relate-to-mike-munchak

http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/4484/sherman-firing-a-warning-shot-to-joe-philbin

http://fansided.com/2014/01/11/repo...philbin-nearly-quit-forced-fire-mike-sherman/

There are a lot of these reports out there.

Ross drove the fire bus, not Philbin.

 

[rent this space]

Or he gets credit for the good ones but Ireland takes the hit for the bad ones. It works both ways thats why I say "decision making team".

actually, Lazor was hired before Hickey and after Ireland so no team on that hire. Benton was hired a couple days after Hickey so it's tough to say

My question was about this post:

You're right there is something a bit off with that ... And here it is, Philbin may have chosen to add Benton and Lazor or he may have been told to add Benton and Lazor. We don't really know for sure, but we do know for sure he chose Sherman and Turner, do we not? We also know he would not have replaced Sherman had the decision been completely his to make, based on his own comments.

We also know that Philbin, Sherman and Turner were part of the decision making team -- including Ireland -- that brought us last years' o-line. I would take from this that, with two new coaches and a new GM, (that I forgot to mention in my original post), it's logical to have faith that fresh blood, having a fresh perspective and knowing the disaster of last years' mistakes, would be hell bent on not going down the same path. Why would they? I would also argue that Lazor, Benton and of course Hickey combined are in a position to at the very least, highly influence Philbins' decision making - which I'm sorry, I simply do not trust at this point in his tenure.

But that's just me.

I just wonder why you're positive Philbin made the bad hires(with Ireland in the building) but not so sure about the good ones(with little or no GM input)

 

[roy_miami]

He wanted him off the team so bad, he continued to start him and allowed him to be the defacto leader on the o-line? Doesn't make sense to me and I don't buy it.

Because he was still our best guard? Ireland gives Philbin a pool of players and Philbin has to play the ones that give us our best chance to win. If Ireland won't replace Incognito with a competent player then what choice does he have but to play Incognito? Incognito was a meathead but he was still the second best o-linemen on the team, and second best by a wide margin. Pouncey is a meathead. If Pouncey wasn't hurt should we bench him in favor of Garner just for being a meathead? Yeah, I'm sure that move would go over real well with the Philbin "fans" :rolleyes2:

 

[roy_miami]

Interesingly, Philbin did not wish to fire his "mentor." The coach had previously defended Sherman as an "excellent" football coach. But owner Stephen Ross wanted Sherman out after the Dolphins scored only one touchdown in the season's final two games when the playoffs were on the line.

Ross, however, could not actually fire Sherman as he had signed over hiring and firing power to Philbin in his contract. But obviously, rather than defy his boss, Philbin did as the owner wished.

In fulfilling his owner's desire to "relieve Sherman" of his duties, Philbin accomplished something very important: He solidified his own job sta

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...-source-fires-mike-sherman.html#storylink=cpy

http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/4456/can-joe-philbin-relate-to-mike-munchak

http://espn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/4484/sherman-firing-a-warning-shot-to-joe-philbin

http://fansided.com/2014/01/11/repo...philbin-nearly-quit-forced-fire-mike-sherman/

There are a lot of these reports out there.

Ross drove the fire bus, not Philbin.

Looks to be a lot of speculation centered around the first quote you linked to.

 

[NCFINFAN13]

actually, Lazor was hired before Hickey and after Ireland so no team on that hire. Benton was hired a couple days after Hickey so it's tough to say

My question was about this post:

I just wonder why you're positive Philbin made the bad hires(with Ireland in the building) but not so sure about the good ones(with little or no GM input)

I simply haven't read anything that states Philbin on his own hired Lazor ... If he did on his own hire Lazor, he deserves credit. You forget "people" were advising him at the time. But he did hire Sherman, his old friend. That much is clear but this just goes back to my original point that Philbin was part of the decision making team --- good or bad.

 

[NCFINFAN13]

Because he was still our best guard? Ireland gives Philbin a pool of players and Philbin has to play the ones that give us our best chance to win. If Ireland won't replace Incognito with a competent player then what choice does he have but to play Incognito? Incognito was a meathead but he was still the second best o-linemen on the team, and second best by a wide margin. Pouncey is a meathead. If Pouncey wasn't hurt should we bench him in favor of Garner just for being a meathead? Yeah, I'm sure that move would go over real well with the Philbin "fans" :rolleyes2:

It's just a circle jerk isn't it? Perhaps Ireland told him he couldn't find a better guard? But I would dispute he was the better guard by a wide margin, and even if he was, would you as a HC allow any player regardless of talent to destroy your team? Dude, Philbin was no silent statue ... I can't believe anyone would think he made zero decisions. I will say it again ... he was part of ther decision making team. And I will add, since people are misconstruing what I'm saying, that if you credit him for the good, he deserves the blame for the bad.

Doesn't explain why Philbin didn't castrate Lugnut after the golfing event incident either.

 

[roy_miami]

It's just a circle jerk isn't it? Perhaps Ireland told him he couldn't find a better guard? But I would dispute he was the better guard by a wide margin, and even if he was, would you as a HC allow any player regardless of talent to destroy your team? Dude, Philbin was no silent statue ... I can't believe anyone would think he made zero decisions. I will say it again ... he was part of ther decision making team. And I will add, since people are misconstruing what I'm saying, that if you credit him for the good, he deserves the blame for the bad.

Its a risk you take when you accept the job without the power of final say. Jeff Fisher wasn't willing to take that risk with Ireland making the decisions. Philbin didn't really have a choice but to take the risk if he wanted a crack at the head coaching gig.

 

[rent this space]

I simply haven't read anything that states Philbin on his own hired Lazor ... If he did on his own hire Lazor, he deserves credit. You forget "people" were advising him at the time. But he did hire Sherman, his old friend. That much is clear but this just goes back to my original point that Philbin was part of the decision making team --- good or bad.

here's an article from January 10th, talking mostly about the GM search but also mentioned this at the end:

"...In the meantime, Philbin is interviewing candidates to replace Mike Sherman, whose contract wasn't renewed.

Coincidentally, Shanahan and Sherman worked together in Houston, and Shanahan actually replaced him as offensive coordinator. That 2008 season, at the ripe age of 28, becoming the youngest person to hold the position in NFL history.

Shanahan, now 34, served as offensive coordinator for his father, Mike Shanahan with the Redskins, for the past four seasons. He's presently unemployed because of Washington's 3-13 season.

The Redskins struggled last season, but the offense wasn't the main reason the 2012 playoff team tanked. The Redskins offense ranked 23rd in points per game (20.9), but finished ninth in yards (369.7) and fifth in rushing yards per game (135.2) last season.

Kyle Shanahan's Redskins offense ranked fifth in the NFL in yards per game (383.2) in 2012, and fourth in points, averaging 27.2 per game. In 2011, before Robert Griffin III's arrival, the Redskins ranked 16th in yards per game, averaging 336.7 yards per contest, and 18 points per contest, which had Shanahan's unit 26th in the NFL.

Lazor, who began his interview process with Philbin earlier this week, spent last season as the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback coach. He helped transform Nick Foles, a 2012 quarterback selected in the third round, into the NFL's top rated quarterback (119.2) this season..."


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...140110_1_dolphins-gm-jeff-ireland-brian-gaine

 

[NCFINFAN13]

Its a risk you take when you accept the job without the power of final say. Jeff Fisher wasn't willing to take that risk with Ireland making the decisions. Philbin didn't really have a choice but to take the risk if he wanted a crack at the head coaching gig.

Final say over personnel desicions doesn't mean Philbin wasn't part of the decision making team. And that also doesn't mean Philbin had to play whoever he didn't want to.

 

[NCFINFAN13]

here's an article from January 10th, talking mostly about the GM search but also mentioned this at the end:

"...In the meantime, Philbin is interviewing candidates to replace Mike Sherman, whose contract wasn't renewed.

Coincidentally, Shanahan and Sherman worked together in Houston, and Shanahan actually replaced him as offensive coordinator. That 2008 season, at the ripe age of 28, becoming the youngest person to hold the position in NFL history.

Shanahan, now 34, served as offensive coordinator for his father, Mike Shanahan with the Redskins, for the past four seasons. He's presently unemployed because of Washington's 3-13 season.

The Redskins struggled last season, but the offense wasn't the main reason the 2012 playoff team tanked. The Redskins offense ranked 23rd in points per game (20.9), but finished ninth in yards (369.7) and fifth in rushing yards per game (135.2) last season.

Kyle Shanahan's Redskins offense ranked fifth in the NFL in yards per game (383.2) in 2012, and fourth in points, averaging 27.2 per game. In 2011, before Robert Griffin III's arrival, the Redskins ranked 16th in yards per game, averaging 336.7 yards per contest, and 18 points per contest, which had Shanahan's unit 26th in the NFL.

Lazor, who began his interview process with Philbin earlier this week, spent last season as the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback coach. He helped transform Nick Foles, a 2012 quarterback selected in the third round, into the NFL's top rated quarterback (119.2) this season..."


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...140110_1_dolphins-gm-jeff-ireland-brian-gaine

Again, it doesn't say if or if not Philbin was being helped. It just says he was interviewing. I personally don't really care, except I'm being told Philbin had no decision making authority under Ireland which to me simply doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[Hayden Fox]

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Peter King @SI_PeterKing · 59m
DAVIE, Fla-Dolphnotes: 2d-rd WR Jarvis Landry impressing w/excellent hands. In running for slot WR ... Nate Garner looks like opening-day C.

I find this Tweet interesting via Peter King.

I still think the team should look outside the team for a C. However, Nate Garner has always been the best in house option. He has experience and has done OK in that role.

My biggest issue I will keep railing about....and people here know I am a BIG Garner guy....is can he hold up 7 games? He does seem to get knicked up a lot.

 

[roy_miami]

Final say over personnel desicions doesn't mean Philbin wasn't part of the decision making team. And that also doesn't mean Philbin had to play whoever he didn't want to.

So he should handle his business like a 13 year old girl? There is a reason one man is given the responsibility of final say, because sometimes disputes over personnel will happen, even between two professionals. If Philbin's only recourse is to keep Incognito out of games then he's essentially created a situation where we have only a 52 man roster which is much worse than actually playing the meathead.

And again, if he played Brenner all season while leaving Incognito inactive and we gave up 58 sacks I'm pretty sure the out-lash he'd be receiving from his "fans" would be much worse.

 

[dolphinheel]

I'm actually in Paris and just got the news on Satele! Maybe the front office read our 11 page thread! Who knows, but I'm glad they didn't wait until after 2-3 preseason games before it was too late. I think he will really help us through the first part of the season and it gives me a little encouragement that the Hickey has it figured out. Good job Miami!