Schein: Ross is clueless and Miami has the worst quarterback corps in the league

[Dsteve]

Moore sucks. Fact. Flynn has more potential than moore. Fact. Alex smith has no WRs. fact. Tannehill is more talented than moore and has way moore potential. fact. Garrad is a more established NFL starter than moore, FACT.


There's a reason why we drafted a qb high. There's a reason dallas didn't keep moore and neither did CAR. He's not good. he's a back up level talent. He might get the start this year but he's on the way out. He didn't do anything last year that should hand him the starting job this year. He was average at best. 7-7 as a starter with wins coming against crap teams and mainly because of our running game and defense isn't anything to be proud of.

Let me know when Matt Moore beats a legit team in the NFL. Not the raiders, bills and other basement dwellers.

 

[Vaark]

Moore sucks. Fact. Flynn has more potential than moore. Fact. Alex smith has no WRs. fact. Tannehill is more talented than moore and has way moore potential. fact. Garrad is a more established NFL starter than moore, FACT.


There's a reason why we drafted a qb high. There's a reason dallas didn't keep moore and neither did CAR. He's not good. he's a back up level talent. He might get the start this year but he's on the way out. He didn't do anything last year that should hand him the starting job this year. He was average at best. 7-7 as a starter with wins coming against crap teams and mainly because of our running game and defense isn't anything to be proud of.

Let me know when Matt Moore beats a legit team in the NFL. Not the raiders, bills and other basement dwellers.

Here ya go.. a public service alert for our newest members:

At the least you will concede that in your opinion, Moore is better than Henne right? :up:

 

[Vaark]

What do the Broncos have to do w/ it? den was humiliated in the 2nd rd and they won a HOME playoff game. The jets w/ Sanchez beat up that same Pats team ont he same field a year earlier and won 4 ROAD playoff games and didn't lose badly in either of their playoff losses.

Do I think Sanchez is a great QB? of course not, do I thnk we can win a SB w/ him? absolutely, we came pretty close his first 2 years.

yes, tebow will be starting by midseason which is why the Jets are using him as the up man on punts. Clearly they have no regard for their future starter.

Wait wait wait, it's common sense he's not but you're on record as believing he's a top 7 QB in the league and worth more than at least 1 and maybe 2 first round picks? Too ****ing funny. Dr Vaark says: too much spinning can lead to the pathological effects of dizziness.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

Moore sucks. Fact. Flynn has more potential than moore. Fact. Alex smith has no WRs. fact. Tannehill is more talented than moore and has way moore potential. fact. Garrad is a more established NFL starter than moore, FACT.


There's a reason why we drafted a qb high. There's a reason dallas didn't keep moore and neither did CAR. He's not good. he's a back up level talent. He might get the start this year but he's on the way out. He didn't do anything last year that should hand him the starting job this year. He was average at best. 7-7 as a starter with wins coming against crap teams and mainly because of our running game and defense isn't anything to be proud of.

Let me know when Matt Moore beats a legit team in the NFL. Not the raiders, bills and other basement dwellers.

flynn ****ing sucks dude, he would not have upgraded our qb position one bit if we got him. he is no better than moore or garrard, and tannehill is prob better than flynn.

1 great game against arguably the worst secondary in the nfl and the guy is great. u will see what a failure the guy is in seattle if he even starts.

 

[Vaark]

flynn ****ing sucks dude, he would not have upgraded our qb position one bit if we got him. he is no better than moore or garrard, and tannehill is prob better than flynn.

1 great game against arguably the worst secondary in the nfl and the guy is great. u will see what a failure the guy is in seattle if he even starts.

heh, IMO there's usually a correlation being a butt hurt Henne fluffer who can't admit that his GF moved to someone with bigger and better equipment.. and the degree of hate for the guy who most true fans, whether they think he's the future or not, should owe a debt of gratitude to......stay tuned.

 

[tylerdolphin]

I read these threads just to laugh at how junc arbitrarily uses whatever Sanchez and the Jets have accomplished as the only true indicators of greatness and none of the failings and weaknesses mean anything.

The amount of unrepentant, unashamed stupidity in this thread is mind boggling.

 

[TheWalrus]

A guy that sucks doesn't make 2 title games in back to back years. No matter how good your D is you can't carry a bad QB especilly in this era where the AFC has been very good. maybe back when the AFC stunk in mid 80s through mid 90s but not now. There are too many good teams and you need quality QB play to win and Mark has given us that.

Dan Pastorini was the starting quarterback for the Oilers when they made back to back AFC Championship Games in 1978 and 1979. Are you saying he didn't suck?

Some Dan Pastorini career #s, for those not up on their football history.

56-61 as a starting quarterback.
50.9% passes completed for his career.
103-161 TD to INT ratio.
6.1 career YPA.

And it's not like Pastorini was bad the rest of his career but put it together in '78 and '79. In both years he threw more INTs than TDs and completed less than 55% of his passes. And this was in an era of AFC dominance over the NFC, so don't pull the whole weak conference bull****, either.

Football is so much more complicated than "no bad quarterback could accomplish x, and the Jets accomplished x, therefore the Jets don't have a bad quarterback." It's such bull****, especially when you spin "x" so it means something so narrow it only applies to whatever argument you're having, like Tom Selleck in Mr. Baseball talking about he led his team in fourth inning triples in the month of September, or whatever the line is in that movie.

AND... to top it off, when you do it, you're still wrong, as in this example with Pastorini (who, perhaps not coincidentally, was also a high first round pick as Sanchez was).

 

[fishbanger]

If we had instant replay back in 78 and 79 Oilers would have beat the steelers in the championship game and no steelers would have one less super bowl win.

 

[Gophins75]

Wow, just wow. Adam Who? Bulletin board material right there.

 

[MiamiCalifornia]

18 pages of mindless bickering, all based on the rumblings of some no-talent Jew hack. Comical.

 

[nyfinzfan]

I would like to apologize now if my aforementioned photographic depiction of my opinion of Adam Shein has offended anyone. With the exception of Adam Schien.

I found it extremely disturbing...to the product. Id rather walk around with that thing than Adam Schein...

 

[nyfinzfan]

Dan Pastorini was the starting quarterback for the Oilers when they made back to back AFC Championship Games in 1978 and 1979. Are you saying he didn't suck?

Some Dan Pastorini career #s, for those not up on their football history.

56-61 as a starting quarterback.
50.9% passes completed for his career.
103-161 TD to INT ratio.
6.1 career YPA.

And it's not like Pastorini was bad the rest of his career but put it together in '78 and '79. In both years he threw more INTs than TDs and completed less than 55% of his passes. And this was in an era of AFC dominance over the NFC, so don't pull the whole weak conference bull****, either.

Football is so much more complicated than "no bad quarterback could accomplish x, and the Jets accomplished x, therefore the Jets don't have a bad quarterback." It's such bull****, especially when you spin "x" so it means something so narrow it only applies to whatever argument you're having, like Tom Selleck in Mr. Baseball talking about he led his team in fourth inning triples in the month of September, or whatever the line is in that movie.

AND... to top it off, when you do it, you're still wrong, as in this example with Pastorini (who, perhaps not coincidentally, was also a high first round pick as Sanchez was).

I could have started for the Oilers although I was 12 at the time...they had EARL FREAKING CAMPBELL!

 

[nyjunc]

Smith had Edwards how many years older? Plus the 49ers CUT edwards before the playoffs since he was so ****ty and such a cancer for the team at that point. Edwards was decent in NY. Holmes is a pro bowl level WR but the suspension hurt him last year. He's def not a solid number one but the jets have had far more talent at WR than the dolphins or 49ers over the sanchez tenure.

If I were a jets fan I'd be upset about letting brad smith go. Dude was clutch and athletic just really raw as a WR.

So you think Braylon or Holmnes are better than Marshall?

I like Brad Smith but he didn't exactly tear it up in Buffalo.

Let's lay off "The owner wanted" stuff, I hear that so much from people talking about Miami whether it is from NFL fans like you or people in the media. It is getting ridiculous. Ross is not involved really at all when it comes to making football player decisions. Was he giddy about getting Manning and pushing for him? Yes, but pushing for Tannehill? Now that is going a little overboard. Jeff Ireland is making the player decisions and draft decisions, not Ross. Ireland gets input from his staff and from the coaching staff like Philbin, Croyle and Sherman.

I am sure the football staff had long talks about what they wanted to do at the quarterback position. It sounds and looks like the plan all along was to have Moore compete with a veteran free agent addition and draft a quarterback for the future. Obviously Seattle is not sold on Flynn long term because they are having him compete with Jackson and went out and drafted Wilson. There was a lot of buzz that if Tannehill fell to #12 that Seattle was already set to take him, and Pete Carroll was "giggling like a school girl" at Tannehill's Pro Day because he was so excited about the idea of drafting him. I truly believe the plan was to sign Flynn and draft Tannehill. Though Flynn wanted a lot more money than what Miami was offering, so he chased the money to Seattle and Miami went ahead with Garrard.

Moore was always going to compete with a free agent veteran and Tannehill was always the target in round 1. Flynn was obviously the first choice and when he wanted more than just competing money they kicked the tires of Alex Smith and David Garrard.

As for Ross making decisions, that perception is getting old. Just look at how your good buddy Adam Schein went on about how Ross forced Hard Knocks on Philbin. Yet Philbin is the one who spearheaded the Hard Knocks decision and reportedly had to actually talk Ross into doing it.

I don't care what the reports said, if you think HK was all Philbin I don't know what to tell you.

Moore sucks. Fact. Flynn has more potential than moore. Fact. Alex smith has no WRs. fact. Tannehill is more talented than moore and has way moore potential. fact. Garrad is a more established NFL starter than moore, FACT.


There's a reason why we drafted a qb high. There's a reason dallas didn't keep moore and neither did CAR. He's not good. he's a back up level talent. He might get the start this year but he's on the way out. He didn't do anything last year that should hand him the starting job this year. He was average at best. 7-7 as a starter with wins coming against crap teams and mainly because of our running game and defense isn't anything to be proud of.

Let me know when Matt Moore beats a legit team in the NFL. Not the raiders, bills and other basement dwellers.

I wouldn't say Moore sucks, I think that's taking it a bit too far. I think he is a quality backup but the rest of your post was a good one.

Wait wait wait, it's common sense he's not but you're on record as believing he's a top 7 QB in the league and worth more than at least 1 and maybe 2 first round picks? Too ****ing funny. Dr Vaark says: too much spinning can lead to the pathological effects of dizziness.

I never said he was top 7 and a guy who is 7th isn't great anyway.

Dan Pastorini was the starting quarterback for the Oilers when they made back to back AFC Championship Games in 1978 and 1979. Are you saying he didn't suck?

Some Dan Pastorini career #s, for those not up on their football history.

56-61 as a starting quarterback.
50.9% passes completed for his career.
103-161 TD to INT ratio.
6.1 career YPA.

And it's not like Pastorini was bad the rest of his career but put it together in '78 and '79. In both years he threw more INTs than TDs and completed less than 55% of his passes. And this was in an era of AFC dominance over the NFC, so don't pull the whole weak conference bull****, either.

Football is so much more complicated than "no bad quarterback could accomplish x, and the Jets accomplished x, therefore the Jets don't have a bad quarterback." It's such bull****, especially when you spin "x" so it means something so narrow it only applies to whatever argument you're having, like Tom Selleck in Mr. Baseball talking about he led his team in fourth inning triples in the month of September, or whatever the line is in that movie.

AND... to top it off, when you do it, you're still wrong, as in this example with Pastorini (who, perhaps not coincidentally, was also a high first round pick as Sanchez was).

Pastornini didn't suck, he wasn't great but didn't suck. I think people think you have to be a HOFer to have success in this league. You can't compare #s of QBs of the 70s to QBs of today but they won w/ him and got the closoest that franchise(while in Houston) ever got to a SB w/ him. Of course it helped to have Earl Campbell which Sanchez never had

 

[insomnia411]

Pastornini didn't suck, he wasn't great but didn't suck. I think people think you have to be a HOFer to have success in this league. You can't compare #s of QBs of the 70s to QBs of today but they won w/ him and got the closoest that franchise(while in Houston) ever got to a SB w/ him. Of course it helped to have Earl Campbell which Sanchez never had

The guy had a career losing record, completed half of his passes, and had a TD - INT ratio of 1-1.5. That is the definition of suck. Stink Stank Stunk.

For some reason you refuse to admit that football is a team sport and that it is possible for bad players to play on winning teams. It's also very possible for very good players to play on losing teams. Obviously the QB has a bigger impact on the team than other positions, but to flatly say that without question "it isn't possible for a bad QB to get to two straight title games" (like you have) is a ridiculous blanket statement.
There are many situations throughout NFL history where good teams carried bad quarterbacks to big games, and the '09 and '10 Jets just happened to be two shining examples of that occurance. The one and only reason why you express the attitude that you do towards all these average QBs (Dilfer, Pastornini, Johnson etc.) is for the simple fact that it plays into your inexplicable defense of Mark Sanchez. In your heart of hearts you have to know that what you say about guys like Dilfer makes no sense, but your mind numbing homerism is forcing you into these outlandish philosophies just because it makes Mark Sanchez look less awful.
I know for a fact that if things were flipped for the Jets, like let's say they had been an average team the past few years but Sanchez was setting the world on fire and putting up huge numbers, you're attitude would be much different. You would be pointing to guys like Marino and P. Manning (guys you bash) as supporting examples of Mark Sanchez, and suddenly "fantasy numbers" would mean a lot to you.
Look, being that I live on Long Island I know a lot of Jet fans, and the vast majority have given up on Marky Mark. Your homerism just happens to be legendary, and I'm just sayin, it makes you sound like a jackass a lot of the time. Believe me when I tell you I'm just as harsh on extreme Dolphins homers (I have the track record of bans to prove it) but your love of God awful QBs is really some of the dumbest **** I've ever heard in my life.

*Edit - Just for you to know, if it makes you feel any better, I really don't think Matt Moore is any better than Sanchez, and I think that Tannehill is a very similar prospect to Sanchez when he was coming out.... Tannehill might be a little more athletic and have a slightly better arm but I didn't like either guys coming out. Clearly I'm pretty unhappy about the state of the Fins as well.

 

[nyjunc]

The guy had a career losing record, completed half of his passes, and had a TD - INT ratio of 1-1.5. That is the definition of suck. Stink Stank Stunk.

For some reason you refuse to admit that football is a team sport and that it is possible for bad players to play on winning teams. It's also very possible for very good players to play on losing teams. Obviously the QB has a bigger impact on the team than other positions, but to flatly say that without question "it isn't possible for a bad QB to get to two straight title games" (like you have) is a ridiculous blanket statement.
There are many situations throughout NFL history where good teams carried bad quarterbacks to big games, and the '09 and '10 just happened to be two shining examples of that occurance. The one and only reason why you express the attitude that you do towards all these average QBs (Dilfer, Pastornini, Johnson etc.) is for the simple fact that it plays into your inexplicable defense of Mark Sanchez. In your heart of hearts you have to know that what you say about guys like Dilfer makes no sense, but your mind numbing homerism is forcing you into these outlandish philosophies just because it makes Mark Sanchez look less awful.
I know for a fact that if things were flipped for the Jets, like let's say they had been an average team the past few years but Sanchez was setting the world on fire and putting up huge numbers, you're attitude would be much different. You would be pointing to guys like Marino and P. Manning (guys you bash) as supporting examples of Mark Sanchez, and suddenly "fantasy numbers" would mean a lot to you.
Look, being that I live on Long Island I know a lot of Jet fans, and the vast majority have given up on Marky Mark. Your homerism just happens to be legendary, and I'm just sayin, it makes you sound like a jackass a lot of the time. Believe me when I tell you I'm just as harsh on extreme Dolphins homers (I have the track record of bans to prove it) but your love of God awful QBs is really some of the dumbest **** I've ever heard in my life.

Ok so if he sucked b/c he had a losing record then how does Sanchez suck w/ a record well above .500?

Pastorini's record was close to .500 and Houston had some bad teams in the 70s. He was 1-22 in '72 & '73, from '74 to '79 w/ Hou he was 48-29 including 2 title game apps.

Football is a team sport and nowhere did I ever say Mark was THE reason we were so good, I have always said he has HELPED his team to 2 title game apps and he did, w/o his quality play in postseason there's no way we win 4 ROAD postseason games.

I don't care about typical, whiny fans. those are the fans that deserve Rich Kotite as their HC. Fans always need a scapegoat, those that know the game a little better understand mark was not THE reason they only won 8 games last year. he was part of the problem along w/ all the units on the team.

I have followed this team a long time, I know what a bad QB looks like. Mark Sanchez is a good QB and a guy I KNOW this team can win big w/(b/c they already have).