Teams do win Super Bowls. But to complain about Manning only leading the Giants to 9 wins, how is that all on him? The Giants allowed the 8th most points in the league in 2011. A QB has to overcome his defense in times when they're defending poorly.
Schein: Ross is clueless and Miami has the worst quarterback corps in the league
- Thread starter Nublar7
- Start date
Teams do win Super Bowls. But to complain about Manning only leading the Giants to 9 wins, how is that all on him? The Giants allowed the 8th most points in the league in 2011. A QB has to overcome his defense in times when they're defending poorly.
- Joined
- Sep 13, 2005
- Messages
- 15,549
- Reaction score
- 2,652
In junc's reality, if a QB wins 7-3 on a last minute drive, he is better than the guy who put up 35 points and lost because the defense was ****ty. I cant explain it, hoping you can do that for me.
In reality I can't explain it. In his world, since Manning isn't a Jet, there has to be something in there, some fact, some quip, some anything that takes away from Manning's accomplishments.
I mean holy ****, the guy complains that Manning needs to do more than guide the team to just 9 regular season wins. Why does Manning need to do that when they won the Super Bowl? Is it guaranteed that winning 10, 11, 12 games does anything additional for your team?
Of course not
---------- Post added at 10:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:53 PM ----------
The Jets winning 4 games in the playoffs in 2009 and 2010 have spoiled the guy to no end. I mean he thinks you're elite when you can't win the Conference Title Game. That right there is a clear indication of where his head is.
When one doesn't agree with him, it's b/c they can't handle the truth.
he has the postseason success already so a great reg season leading his team to a great reg season would get him much closer to being elite. if he didn't have postseason success already then yes I would hold it against him like I do a Pilip Rivers who is just a great fantasy QB.
That play changed that game, the Jets were dominating play up to that point. It was 3rd and 10 from the 1 yd line, the Jets would have gotten the ball around midfield and likely gone into the LR up 10-3, very different from the crushing blow that made it 10-7 NYG. That play completely changed that gamea nd the seasons for both teams. Remember, the Giants just got crushed by washington and were teetering- Victor Cruz saved them.
It amazes me that peop spend so much time discussing this sport yet still don't have any idea what they are watching.
so are Brandon Jacobs, Ahmad Bradshaw, Kareem McKenzie, David Diehl, Kiwanuka, etc... all elite players? they won 2 SBs. It's very different evaluating teams and individuals.
I like Eli, he's a good QB, he has the postseaqson resume but now he has to get the reg seasonr esume. When you don't have a single elite full season how can you be elite? Eli is a great guy, if he was a Giant I'd be rooting for him, the damage is done w/ the Giants winnign 2 SBs so it wouldn't bother me at all to call him elite. If he was I'd call him elite but he's not. Again, if 29 & 16 w/ 9 wins is elite then Mark Sanchez was really close to being elite last year.
What a backbreaking play. To put you down by an unreachable 3 points at halftime. If the Jets were so ****ed b/c of that play then that shows how weak they were
---------- Post added at 09:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:58 AM ----------
Only that Sanchez had 1,500 yds less and went 8-8. Going 9-7 and winning all playoff games on the road while having the stats Manning did makes this incomparable by a mile.
What a backbreaking play. To put you down by an unreachable 3 points at halftime. If the Jets were so ****ed b/c of that play then that shows how weak they were
---------- Post added at 09:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:58 AM ----------
Only that Sanchez had 1,500 yds less and went 8-8. Going 9-7 and winning all playoff games on the road while having the stats Manning did makes this incomparable by a mile.
It completely swung the momentum, again we had pretty much dominated play throughout the entire 1st half but that one play changed everything. Sometimes you have to actually watch the games instead of just looking at boxscores.
Who cares about yds? It's about pts and wins. The NYG O didn't score many more pts, the QB only threw 3 more TDs, the team only won one more game.
The Giants WC game was at home, they only played 2 road games. Sanchez helped us win 2 road games each of the 2 previous seasons, unfortunately for him and the Jets 11 and 9 wins were not good enough to win their division like 9 wins was for NYG last year.
Ahh, now I see! Thanks so much for explaining what might have happened in favor of an already mediocre team going forward from the 2nd quarter - despite being outscored by 12 points in the second half by a team heading towards the SB with the comeback kid under center. Makes a lot of sense. Not!!!! And not as much as the reality that the jest would and should have been a 7-9 team if in the first game, Tony Romo didn't have his game 1 brainfart with 51 seconds in the game and throw it right to REvis. So you can talk about your "what-ifs" but that one is sure more plausible than a great pass and catch in the 2nd period by the comeback kid.
Oh and if in the 4th qtr, Sanchez going 3-5 for 35 yards with one -7yd sack and including an interception didn't put an exclamation mark on the inevitable outcome of that game, then hell I dunno what would. :idk:
Yeah,as far as the Giants coming in reeling after they were beaten the previous week by Washington... well what about week 9 when the Patriots battered the jets like they were fried chicken, coming into that game after a loss to the Giants. So even connecting those point A's and B's, the reasonable expectation is that the Giants, who went on to finish the season beating the Cowboys, a team by all rights that also should have beaten the jest, would likely triumph, regardless of any 99 yard play by the SB MVP in the second quarter or not.
If you dominated so much why would allowing a TD make that big a difference? Dominate them the rest of the game if you're worth a ****.
My bad, the Giants did play ATL at home to start. Going to GB and SF and winning still happened and was a great achievement.
You've never seen a team control play and not wind up scoring which keeps the game close?
Up until that play the Giants had 3 first downs in the game, the Jets were dominating play, if Cruz doesn't make multiple guys miss on his way to a 99 yd TD we get the ball back around midfield w/ a chance to go up 10-3 or 14-3 to clsoe the half.
Absolutely, they played great throughout the playoffs but that doesn't make Eli an elite QB especially since he didn't have a great game at SF. he had a lot of good fortune that game and you need good luck sometimes too. They took advantage and won then beat NE. I tip my cap but he still has yet to put together one elite full season so how can I call him elite?
Kinzua
☠️ Banned ☠️
I think that every sportswriter in the US who covered the Giants in 2011 acknowledged that it was Eli's late game heroics that got the Giants their 9 wins. They blistered the Gnats' D all season, and DC Perry Fewell was on the hot seat. Even Coughlin was being questioned. It wasn't until the last 3 or 4 games of the regular season that the Gnats got their defensive act and started giving Eli and his WRs some support.
No WR carries a team because he needs a QB to throw the ball to him. Ask Santonio about that. :sidelol:
So you think that the TD suddenly gave the Giants, a professional NFL team, the courage and spark they needed to start making plays? Being down 10-7 at halftime is nothing.
I think we're all aware you don't think Eli is elite. Repeating the same **** over and over again kind of gives us insight on your feelings.