Schein: Ross is clueless and Miami has the worst quarterback corps in the league

[nyjunc]

I firmly believe Tim Tebow will start over a healthy Sanchez at some point this season

It's obvious, what team wouldn't put their QB as an up back on punts? Clearly the Jets expect Tebow to start and that is whyt hey are doing this.

Again, he can't control being put in as a starter in 2009 when the team was already out of it. He played poorly in 2010 in his first 2 games, but there are many other factors than the "Pressure" argument you love. Moore played poorly against the Jets, but played good enough to win the other early starts, so the "Pressure" argument doesn't fly in 2011 since the losses were not all his fault. 2 out of 3 seasons, Moore has played well. You are basing your "Pressure" argument off of 1 season in which the Panthers won 1 game without Moore.

Again, Sanchez played horrible under "Pressure" last year. You give him a pass for multiple reasons including that he has led the Jets to the playoffs before. Had Moore gotten a little more help from the D, (Like Sanchez had his first 2 years) he also could have led his team to the playoffs. The QB is not the only reason for wins and losses.

I'm basing it off 3 seasons, believe what you want. Clearly the dolphins agree w/ me or they wouldn't have used a 1st rounder on a QB and spent money in FA on one.

Sanchez was awful the last 3 weeks but like you noted he has a track record for success. If he does it again this year the safety net is gone.

 

[rent this space]

It's obvious, what team wouldn't put their QB as an up back on punts? Clearly the Jets expect Tebow to start and that is whyt hey are doing this.

yes, everyone is going out of their way to assure(see Vaark's comments about coddling) Sanchez that his job is safe. I just read Sparano gushing about his command of half the offense yesterday. I just think the pressure of "Tebowmania" will become too great at some point this season. The only way to avoid it is for Sanchez to never slump

 

[Nublar7]

They thought Sanchez may have had a concussion early in the year so he played games w/ concussion like symptons then late in the year had a stinger in his neck. If I can use those as excuses you can use the excuses for Moore.

May have a concussion and having a concussion or two completely different things. After tests it turned out Sachez did NOT have a concussion, so there is no comparison at all. That is like saying a player who tore his ACL and a player who hurt his knee but had no damage or lingering effects had the same injury.

There is also a difference between a stinger and a season ending torn labrum. Come on now, not all injuries are the same. Knoebels and Disney World are both theme park/amusement parks, but they are definitely NOT on the same level.

 

[josekareh]

LMAO

https://twitter.com/josekareh/status/208582701555531777

 

[Vaark]

2009:

vs. NE: down 9-3 at half, helps us beat NE 16-9
at Cin(postseason) 1st postseason start and it's on the road, near flawless, only 3 incompletions 2 of which were drops.
at SD(postseason) converts 3 critical 3rd downs inclduing scrambling TD to give us our first lead

2010:
NE: trail 14-10 at half, leads team to 28-14 win inclduing 3 TD passes
at Mia: Mia pulls w/in 1 in the 4th, leads late TD drive to push lead to 8 as Jets hold on for win
at Den: leads last minute TD drive to win game
at Det: trailiong by 10 w/ 3 mins left leads us to TD and FG to send to OT then sets up GW FG
at Cle: after D blows late lead Mark leads us to GW TD late in OT for win
Hou: after D blows late lead, gets ball at own 28 w/ NO timeouts down by 4. Leads Jets to TD for win
at Ind(postseason): down by 2 w/ under a minute left sets up K for chip shot FG to win it
at NE(post): outplays best QB of this generation in Foxboro

2011:
SD: trailing 14-3 in 1st, 21-10 at half, leads Jets to 27-21 win
Buf: throws 4 TDs including GW in final minute
at Was: after Was takes a 16-13 lead w/ 7 mins left leads TD drive for GW TD

I conceded that Sanchez had a decent 2010 season although he was still likely the weakest link of that team. What you failed to notice is that in 2009, at home against Atlanta, a team that had nothing to play for Sanchez **** the bed, as he did against Cinci who was dead but still conceded the game and in 2011 as he did 3X straight when the team was 8-5. Oh did I mention the SD playoff game where he put up a scary 60QBR and threw for 1 Ints and 100 yds but luckily was not any more awful than the SD kicker or choking HC. You're parsing meaningless games. Henne did as much if not more in 2009 that the outcomes would have been similar if the Fins were the team that had stepped in scheduling ****, especially considering that he beat the jest 2x.

And as far as Tebow starting is concerned, he turned down Jacksonville because they wouldn't assure he'd have a chance to start based on merit considering the investment they had in Gabbert. I don't care about punt team BS, if you don't think the only reason he agreed to go to the jest was because they gave him a wink wink assurance of a chance to start if and when Sanchez again characteristically craps the bed, then you're even more delusional than thinking that the jest were ever an elite team or that sanchez is a top 7 QB.

Beside one being and acting like a sensitive boy and the other a man who inspires his teammates, although i'm sure he'd be delighted to, Sanchez can't hold Moore's jockstrop.

again:

 

[The New Guy]

It's obvious, what team wouldn't put their QB as an up back on punts? Clearly the Jets expect Tebow to start and that is whyt hey are doing this.



I'm basing it off 3 seasons, believe what you want. Clearly the dolphins agree w/ me or they wouldn't have used a 1st rounder on a QB and spent money in FA on one.

Sanchez was awful the last 3 weeks but like you noted he has a track record for success. If he does it again this year the safety net is gone.

How can you base it off of 3 seasons when he never had a chance to play with pressure in 2009? How can you base it off of 3 seasons when he played good enough to win in 2011 with pressure? You are only basing it off of 1 season in which he had a concussion in week 1 and was benched after week 2. After 3 straight losses, he was put back in and went 1-2 before being put on injured reserve.

A track record doesn't mean much since this is a team sport. If Moore had the D that Sanchez had in 09 and 10, he also could have a track record of leading his team to the playoffs. I don't base my assessments of a QB solely on wins and losses. Dilfer and Johnson are not better QBs than Marino becasue they won a Super Bowl and he didn't. This is a team game. Moore played well in 2009 when given the opportunity. Moore played good enough to win games in 2011. You can believe what you want, but saying Moore can't play under pressure is silly.

I'm not saying that Moore is the long term answer for the Dolphins, or that the Dolphins think that he is. I'm just saying that it is silly to say he can't play under pressure based on what we have to go on.

 

[13ktownguy]

It's obvious, what team wouldn't put their QB as an up back on punts? Clearly the Jets expect Tebow to start and that is whyt hey are doing this.



I'm basing it off 3 seasons, believe what you want. Clearly the dolphins agree w/ me or they wouldn't have used a 1st rounder on a QB and spent money in FA on one.

Sanchez was awful the last 3 weeks but like you noted he has a track record for success. If he does it again this year the safety net is gone.

Yes we drafted a qb in the 1st rd because we are trying to improve ourselves at that position. That in no way changes the fact that Moore is superior to Sanchez!

 

[nyjunc]

How can you base it off of 3 seasons when he never had a chance to play with pressure in 2009? How can you base it off of 3 seasons when he played good enough to win in 2011 with pressure? You are only basing it off of 1 season in which he had a concussion in week 1 and was benched after week 2. After 3 straight losses, he was put back in and went 1-2 before being put on injured reserve.

A track record doesn't mean much since this is a team sport. If Moore had the D that Sanchez had in 09 and 10, he also could have a track record of leading his team to the playoffs. I don't base my assessments of a QB solely on wins and losses. Dilfer and Johnson are not better QBs than Marino becasue they won a Super Bowl and he didn't. This is a team game. Moore played well in 2009 when given the opportunity. Moore played good enough to win games in 2011. You can believe what you want, but saying Moore can't play under pressure is silly.

I'm not saying that Moore is the long term answer for the Dolphins, or that the Dolphins think that he is. I'm just saying that it is silly to say he can't play under pressure based on what we have to go on.

played in meaningless games in 2009: he was good
started day 1 2010: was awful
came in at 0-3 in 2011: was awful
at 0-7 and season over: he was good

Let's see what he can do from day 1 this year, I look forward to the excuses about him.

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Yes we drafted a qb in the 1st rd because we are trying to improve ourselves at that position. That in no way changes the fact that Moore is superior to Sanchez!

we didn't b/c we don;'t need a QB, you needed one.

 

[tazthenomad]

A simple google of the word "douche" would turn it up.

Originally I was looking for a Massengil douche, but to my surprise and my moderate search (I'm at work), I was able to find something quite fitting. (No pun intended!)

A google search gets something that specific? Wow. The internet can be a scary thing. You're right about what will happen with the media in general when we have some success although some at ESPN never will change. They didn't like Miami when we were successful, either.

 

[The New Guy]

played in meaningless games in 2009: he was good
started day 1 2010: was awful
came in at 0-3 in 2011: was awful
at 0-7 and season over: he was good

Let's see what he can do from day 1 this year, I look forward to the excuses about him.

How does playing good in his only starts in 2009 prove he couldn't play under pressure in 2009? He never had a chance coming in at 4-7. Last year, he didn't play awful from 0-4 to 0-7. He played good enough for the team to realistically win 2 out of those 3 games.

 

[PYRO]

I watched...I laughed

 

[tazthenomad]

How can you base it off of 3 seasons when he never had a chance to play with pressure in 2009? How can you base it off of 3 seasons when he played good enough to win in 2011 with pressure? You are only basing it off of 1 season in which he had a concussion in week 1 and was benched after week 2. After 3 straight losses, he was put back in and went 1-2 before being put on injured reserve.

A track record doesn't mean much since this is a team sport. If Moore had the D that Sanchez had in 09 and 10, he also could have a track record of leading his team to the playoffs. I don't base my assessments of a QB solely on wins and losses. Dilfer and Johnson are not better QBs than Marino becasue they won a Super Bowl and he didn't. This is a team game. Moore played well in 2009 when given the opportunity. Moore played good enough to win games in 2011. You can believe what you want, but saying Moore can't play under pressure is silly.

I'm not saying that Moore is the long term answer for the Dolphins, or that the Dolphins think that he is. I'm just saying that it is silly to say he can't play under pressure based on what we have to go on.

Good luck with trying to explain the concept of team success DOES NOT NECESSARILY equal good QB play to NYJUNC. He doesn't want to concede the point and I guess the only way to "prove" to him that Sanchez is really not good is MAYBE for the Jets to miss the playoffs a few years in a row. I'm not sure he'll concede the point even then.

Love your graphic. You, Vaark, Fishfan and others have had some fun stuff lately.

 

[DuderinoN703]

if the D doesn't pick off Sanchez 3 times you don't beat the Jets, if Moore makes a play late at dallas you probably win that game

The first part no ****, that's what the defense is supposed to do. They still needed to hold Denver and NYG off but failed to do so.

Moore makes a play late? Stop Tony Romo just once on that drive and you win.

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we didn't b/c we don;'t need a QB, you needed one.

Right. Sanchez was drafted a few years ago b/c the Jets needed a QB. This is what we call common knowledge.

 

[nyjunc]

How does playing good in his only starts in 2009 prove he couldn't play under pressure in 2009? He never had a chance coming in at 4-7. Last year, he didn't play awful from 0-4 to 0-7. He played good enough for the team to realistically win 2 out of those 3 games.

what we do know is his only games under any amount of pressure he has been horrible. Car '10 and then last year where Miami still had a glimmer of hope. he wasn't under huge pressure as it had died down w/ the poor start but he had a chance to get them back int he race, if he plays like he did at 0-7 they get back in the race but he was brutal until they were out of it.

Which games? the Giant and Bronoc game? the game where he led Miami to 3 pts in the 2nd half? the Bronco game where he had TWO chances to win in OT and had the ball w/ under 6 mins left up 15 and couldn't get a 1st down?

Good luck with trying to explain the concept of team success DOES NOT NECESSARILY equal good QB play to NYJUNC. He doesn't want to concede the point and I guess the only way to "prove" to him that Sanchez is really not good is MAYBE for the Jets to miss the playoffs a few years in a row. I'm not sure he'll concede the point even then.

Love your graphic. You, Vaark, Fishfan and others have had some fun stuff lately.

I guess it was all a coincidence that he plays poorly when his teams have a chance and well when his teams do not.

The first part no ****, that's what the defense is supposed to do. They still needed to hold Denver and NYG off but failed to do so.

Moore makes a play late? Stop Tony Romo just once on that drive and you win.

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Right. Sanchez was drafted a few years ago b/c the Jets needed a QB. This is what we call common knowledge.

The D definitely gets blame but who was stopping Moore from leading the O to pts in the 2nd half at NYG? or from scoring on the one of TWO chances he had in OT vs. Den? didn't he fumble it to set up the GW FG for Den?

are you saying we didn't need a QB when we drafted Sanchez? You think Kellen Clemens was ready?

 

[DuderinoN703]

The D definitely gets blame but who was stopping Moore from leading the O to pts in the 2nd half at NYG? or from scoring on the one of TWO chances he had in OT vs. Den? didn't he fumble it to set up the GW FG for Den?

are you saying we didn't need a QB when we drafted Sanchez? You think Kellen Clemens was ready?

You aren't going to score 35 pts in every win. Look at Pittsburgh, they won 4 games last year scoring 13 twice, 17, and 14 points. Tennessee, Denver, Arizona even. At or above .500 records with mediocre offenses that still finished even.

Moore 100% could've done more but he didn't lose the games for the Dolphins.

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are you saying we didn't need a QB when we drafted Sanchez? You think Kellen Clemens was ready?

Your quote about the Jets not needing to draft a QB whereas Miami did this year sounded negative to me. If I was wrong, my apologies.