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Schein: Ross is clueless and Miami has the worst quarterback corps in the league

Kinzua said:
I think that every sportswriter in the US who covered the Giants in 2011 acknowledged that it was Eli's late game heroics that got the Giants their 9 wins. They blistered the Gnats' D all season, and DC Perry Fewell was on the hot seat. Even Coughlin was being questioned. It wasn't until the last 3 or 4 games of the regular season that the Gnats got their defensive act and started giving Eli and his WRs some support.

No WR carries a team because he needs a QB to throw the ball to him. Ask Santonio about that. :sidelol:
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maybe if he leads them to more opts earlier he doeasn't have to score so many late?

loss 1 at Wash: was it the D that threw an INT for a TD in a TD game?
loss 2 vs. Sea: I assume it was the D that gave up a safety then allowed a 90+ yd INT return for a TD. Down 4 late, going in for GW TD he throws 94 yd INT return for TD. Clearly the fault of the D
loss 3 at SF: Eli's 2 INts sure didn't hurt
loss 4: Philly: D picks off Young 3 times, Eli leads Giants O to 10 pts. Clearly the D was at fault
loss 5 at NO: the D gets a huge chunk but the O did nothing until it was too late
loss 6 GB: The D gets the blame
loss 7: Wash: Eli leads O to 10 pts, throws 3 INTs. Clearly the fault of the D

The wins:

win 1: SL: D scores TD, shuts down Rams- D led win
win 2 at Phi: D holds Philly to 16 pts, Eli threw 4 TDs- equal
win 3 at Ari: throws 4th qtr INT, gets benefit of blown call that would have ended game BUT after that break led GW drive. Eli and the O
win 4: Buf: ewaul O and D
win 5 Mia: Miami O had nice start but couldn't do anything in 2nd half. equal O & D
win 6 at NE: thrwos 4th qtr INT but leads GW drive. D did hold top O to 20 pts on the road. Equal, maybe slight in D's favor
win 7 at Dal: Eli & O
win 8 at NYJ: D shut down our O, Eli did nothing in this game. D and Cruz
win 9 Dal: D shut down Dal for most of game, key moment Cruz made big play. D and Cruz

Cruz took a 5 yd pass, made multiple defenders miss and took it 99 yds for the game and season changing TD. Eli in that game was 9 of 27, take away the great play by Cruz and he's 8-26 for 126 yds w/ 0 TDs and 1 INT.

the next week at Dallas, he again took a 5 yd pass and again made mutliple defnders miss but this time it was "only" for a 74 yd TD. later after dallas got back w/in a score w/ the Giants facing 3rd and long in the 4th qtr Eli threw the ball up for grabs, Cruz bat 2 defenders to come down w/ it. That was on Cruz not Eli.
 
PhinzN703 said:
So you think that the TD suddenly gave the Giants, a professional NFL team, the courage and spark they needed to start making plays? Being down 10-7 at halftime is nothing.



I think we're all aware you don't think Eli is elite. Repeating the same **** over and over again kind of gives us insight on your feelings.
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so you've never heard of momentum?

I don't just repeat, I give you FACTS to prove it. You choose to ignore them.

2 SB MVPs gives him a leg up but hen a player doesn't have asingle elite full season how can they be elite? AGAIN, if I need to win a big game I'd choose him over almost anyone but he's still not elite.
 
nyjunc said:
maybe if he leads them to more opts earlier he doeasn't have to score so many late?

loss 1 at Wash: was it the D that threw an INT for a TD in a TD game?
loss 2 vs. Sea: I assume it was the D that gave up a safety then allowed a 90+ yd INT return for a TD. Down 4 late, going in for GW TD he throws 94 yd INT return for TD. Clearly the fault of the D
loss 3 at SF: Eli's 2 INts sure didn't hurt
loss 4: Philly: D picks off Young 3 times, Eli leads Giants O to 10 pts. Clearly the D was at fault
loss 5 at NO: the D gets a huge chunk but the O did nothing until it was too late
loss 6 GB: The D gets the blame
loss 7: Wash: Eli leads O to 10 pts, throws 3 INTs. Clearly the fault of the D

The wins:

win 1: SL: D scores TD, shuts down Rams- D led win
win 2 at Phi: D holds Philly to 16 pts, Eli threw 4 TDs- equal
win 3 at Ari: throws 4th qtr INT, gets benefit of blown call that would have ended game BUT after that break led GW drive. Eli and the O
win 4: Buf: ewaul O and D
win 5 Mia: Miami O had nice start but couldn't do anything in 2nd half. equal O & D
win 6 at NE: thrwos 4th qtr INT but leads GW drive. D did hold top O to 20 pts on the road. Equal, maybe slight in D's favor
win 7 at Dal: Eli & O
win 8 at NYJ: D shut down our O, Eli did nothing in this game. D and Cruz
win 9 Dal: D shut down Dal for most of game, key moment Cruz made big play. D and Cruz

Cruz took a 5 yd pass, made multiple defenders miss and took it 99 yds for the game and season changing TD. Eli in that game was 9 of 27, take away the great play by Cruz and he's 8-26 for 126 yds w/ 0 TDs and 1 INT.

the next week at Dallas, he again took a 5 yd pass and again made mutliple defnders miss but this time it was "only" for a 74 yd TD. later after dallas got back w/in a score w/ the Giants facing 3rd and long in the 4th qtr Eli threw the ball up for grabs, Cruz bat 2 defenders to come down w/ it. That was on Cruz not Eli.
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Man you spend way too much time to prove a point about something so minimal

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nyjunc said:
so you've never heard of momentum?

I don't just repeat, I give you FACTS to prove it. You choose to ignore them.

2 SB MVPs gives him a leg up but hen a player doesn't have asingle elite full season how can they be elite? AGAIN, if I need to win a big game I'd choose him over almost anyone but he's still not elite.
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I've heard about momentum one million times. If momentum was unstoppable, how could the Giants take the momentum from the Jets? Don't act like the Jets were done b/c they trailed by 3 at the half.

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nyjunc said:
I don't just repeat, I give you FACTS to prove it. You choose to ignore them.
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Huh? Whether someone is elite or not is 100% opinion. There's no facts behind it whatsoever
 
PhinzN703 said:
Man you spend way too much time to prove a point about something so minimal

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I've heard about momentum one million times. If momentum was unstoppable, how could the Giants take the momentum from the Jets? Don't act like the Jets were done b/c they trailed by 3 at the half.

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Huh? Whether someone is elite or not is 100% opinion. There's no facts behind it whatsoever
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The Giants made a one in a million type of play, an incredible individual effort from Cruz. It sent shock waves through both teams, giving the Giants a jolt and destroying the jets. yes we had chances in the 2nd half but dodn't make plays, if Cruz doesn't maket hat play there's a great chance the Jets win.

There are facts to support an opinion, you guys only have the 2 SB MVPs which is big but you need more than that. The man has never been deemed to be 1st or 2nd best among QBs by never making an all pro team in his career, I just want to know how elite players can get by w/o making an AP team? I had a similar argument w/ Bills fans about Mario Williams but at least Mario has a 2nd team AP under his belt.
 
nyjunc said:
The Giants made a one in a million type of play, an incredible individual effort from Cruz. It sent shock waves through both teams, giving the Giants a jolt and destroying the jets. yes we had chances in the 2nd half but dodn't make plays, if Cruz doesn't maket hat play there's a great chance the Jets win.

There are facts to support an opinion, you guys only have the 2 SB MVPs which is big but you need more than that. The man has never been deemed to be 1st or 2nd best among QBs by never making an all pro team in his career, I just want to know how elite players can get by w/o making an AP team? I had a similar argument w/ Bills fans about Mario Williams but at least Mario has a 2nd team AP under his belt.
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Welker did the same thing vs. Miami last year. Mike Wallace had a 95 yd TD, Jordy Nelson a 93 yd TD, and Brandon LaFell a 91 yd TD. It isn't as astronomically impossible as you make it seem.

The Jets still had 30 minutes in which they could've taken a game back that they dominated in your opinion. I can't believe you can't even agree on something so simple as this.
 
PhinzN703 said:
Welker did the same thing vs. Miami last year. Mike Wallace had a 95 yd TD, Jordy Nelson a 93 yd TD, and Brandon LaFell a 91 yd TD. It isn't as astronomically impossible as you make it seem.

The Jets still had 30 minutes in which they could've taken a game back that they dominated in your opinion. I can't believe you can't even agree on something so simple as this.
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wasn't Welker's mostly through the air? how many of those were 5 yd catches, make 2-3 people miss then take it 90+ yds?

That play changed the game, yes the Jets still had chances but that play still changed the game and was the biggest play in the season of both teams.
 
nyjunc said:
You are going to compare week 3 to week 16? the week 16 game was basically a playoff game, the winner just needed to win the next week to get in and in that game he throws 4 INTs. 4 of TWENTY FIVE for the season, Brady threw 8 total the other 15 games this past season and led his team to another SB.



Which season was great? he's thrown for 30 or more TDs once(and did so while throwing 25 INTs), he's thrown DD INTs in all but one season(his rookie year where he only played in 9 games and threw 9 INTs), he's led his team to more than 10 ins just 2 times, he's thrown 15 or more INTs in 5 seasons, while he has 2 SB wins he hasn't won a playoff game in any other season. Please tell me which seasons have been great?
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Whats the difference.. Are you saying some games are more important than others? Why would anyone think that in this league.. Every win and loss counts!

So you are so quick to discredit him in that game.. I didnt see where you credited him for, with 6 seconds left in the half, throwing a bomb to Nicks in the endzone for the go ahead score! How about driving his team all the way down the field, with 2 minutes left, to win the superbowl?
 
dolpns13 said:
Whats the difference.. Are you saying some games are more important than others? Why would anyone think that in this league.. Every win and loss counts!

So you are so quick to discredit him in that game.. I didnt see where you credited him for, with 6 seconds left in the half, throwing a bomb to Nicks in the endzone for the go ahead score! How about driving his team all the way down the field, with 2 minutes left, to win the superbowl?
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Of course some game are more important. You think week 3 on the road is the same as week 16 in what was essentially a playoff game? The loser in week 16 was essentially out of the playoffs, the loser in week 3 went on to win 13 reg season games and get a 1 seed.

I'm sorry, I give Eli full credit for throwing a hail mary that Hakeem Nicks caught. Clearly it was all Eli's HM pass, the WR did nothing and by the way- the Giants already had the lead. That play extended the lead.

He gets tremendous credit for leading the SB winning drive, he has 2 now. Where did I say he doesn't get credit for that?
 
nyjunc said:
wasn't Welker's mostly through the air? how many of those were 5 yd catches, make 2-3 people miss then take it 90+ yds?

That play changed the game, yes the Jets still had chances but that play still changed the game and was the biggest play in the season of both teams.
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No idea. I'm not the NFL guru like you that knows the YAC for each of those plays.
 
LOL.........OK
This dudes on bath salts. We damn sure aren't the best at QB but to say the worst is a super stretch
 
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