Scott Pioli

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Other side point - Pioli sought to exorcise all remnants of the King Carl Peterson era in Kansas City. He went out of his way to slash personnel who had been long serving Chiefs employees and loyal to Peterson. He went right through the entire organization (why does this sound like a Parcells idea?).
Several years later, Peterson is helping to coordinate the GM recruitment in Miami for his old friend Stephen Ross. Can you honestly expect Peterson to consider Pioli after the "Bonfire of the Vanities" in Kansas City? However, Farmer was a long serving successful Peterson assistant in KC and he is in with a good chance.

I know Carl Peterson isn't the most popular guy, and I'm not a huge fan of his...

... but I'm really, really glad he's running this GM search. Because I do not want anything to do with Scott Pioli at all.

 

[JTC111]

If the dude really staked out a candy wrapper for a week, I want nothing to do with him. He's a nutter.

 

[Bob512]

I recall several stories from KC where the monitoring of office telephones and eavesdropping on offices led to a severe culture of paranoia throughout the front office and the coaching staff.

I would stay as far away from Pioli as possible.

 

[dlockz]

Pioli has made his career from getting lucky on Brady. Those others are solid but hall of fame? He certainly wasn't the GM in NE anyway when all that happened, so you need to put more weight on his performance in KC because he was the GM and it's a more recent example of his work. No, he's overrated and his personality problems are well documented.

Yea he had nothing to do with any of that how silly of me. How dare I call Wilfork a hall of famer. He had final say in KC but its well documented what his role was in NE and he has been given credit formuch of the success in NE. Getting lucky on Brady is more than any Gm here has done in the last two decades. You say luck but you still have to pull trigger. He got Brady in 6th and drafted Cassell in the 7th that was made a commodity. How many 7th round qb's are worth franchising because they have value around the league. He is overrated to you but he wasn't named executive of the decade because he did nothing in NE.

Its hard to argue about Pioli here since some people think Ireland was a good GM.

 

[dlockz]

Other side point - Pioli sought to exorcise all remnants of the King Carl Peterson era in Kansas City. He went out of his way to slash personnel who had been long serving Chiefs employees and loyal to Peterson. He went right through the entire organization (why does this sound like a Parcells idea?).
Several years later, Peterson is helping to coordinate the GM recruitment in Miami for his old friend Stephen Ross. Can you honestly expect Peterson to consider Pioli after the "Bonfire of the Vanities" in Kansas City? However, Farmer was a long serving successful Peterson assistant in KC and he is in with a good chance.

Of course anybody choosing people in the NFL is going to look at choosing people he has had work for him. This is exactly what Parcells did. That's why I wish we had some other voices helping with search although we may still get good people

 

[sixzero]

please stop...

 

[dolphindan1970]

Pioli ?! You gotta be kidding me ! Nobody in there right mind wants him here !

 

[Mudder1310]

Yea he had nothing to do with any of that how silly of me. How dare I call Wilfork a hall of famer. He had final say in KC but its well documented what his role was in NE and he has been given credit formuch of the success in NE. Getting lucky on Brady is more than any Gm here has done in the last two decades. You say luck but you still have to pull trigger. He got Brady in 6th and drafted Cassell in the 7th that was made a commodity. How many 7th round qb's are worth franchising because they have value around the league. He is overrated to you but he wasn't named executive of the decade because he did nothing in NE.

Its hard to argue about Pioli here since some people think Ireland was a good GM.

You're not making the argument you think you are. Basing it around the idea that Wilfork is a HOFer and Matt Cassell is a franchise qb is myopic at best. You want to cherry pick his success/fortune in Brady and apply that to all his choices. Then compare Pioli to another bad GM as though that lends any creedence. The fact is that as a GM Pioli was a failure. That's what you want? I suppose if you're a Pats fan you would want Miami to hire Pioli. Has Tampa called him up for an interview? I mean, if he's such a great candidate they should want to interview him.

 

[dlockz]

You're not making the argument you think you are. Basing it around the idea that Wilfork is a HOFer and Matt Cassell is a franchise qb is myopic at best. You want to cherry pick his success/fortune in Brady and apply that to all his choices. Then compare Pioli to another bad GM as though that lends any creedence. The fact is that as a GM Pioli was a failure. That's what you want? I suppose if you're a Pats fan you would want Miami to hire Pioli. Has Tampa called him up for an interview? I mean, if he's such a great candidate they should want to interview him.

Well we are interviewing Tampa's guy that they don't want to interview so does that make him a bad candidate. I never said Cassell was a franchise qb I said they drafted him in seventh and created value out of it. Hell we cant draft qb's in the early part of the draft and create value out of them. If I was a Pats fan I wouldn't care because I would be enjoying my team in the AFC championship game once again, I know a concept foreign to any of us on the board. I said Pioli was bad in KC and he was good in NE so not sure what your point is. Pioli did not get hired as GM in KC because he did a crappy job in NE. I guess Gary Kubak wasn't a good candidate for OC since we did not interview him.

 

[darefugee]

I'll be the last person to debate Tom Brady's success, but this "Pioli drafted Brady" stuff has to stop. Brady was drafted in what, the 6th round? So Pioli passed on this guy 5 times, and everyone else passed on him at least 5 times.

It's not like he was some secret weapon that only Pioli figured out. It was pretty much dumb luck.

 

[dlockz]

I'll be the last person to debate Tom Brady's success, but this "Pioli drafted Brady" stuff has to stop. Brady was drafted in what, the 6th round? So Pioli passed on this guy 5 times, and everyone else passed on him at least 5 times.

It's not like he was some secret weapon that only Pioli figured out. It was pretty much dumb luck.

The draft is about taking people at good value. Taking Brady high would have been a big risk but you still have to give credit for seeing the potential as an NFL player.
So you only get credit if you draft a guy high in draft that makes no sense. If that's true then you only judge a GM by his first few picks.
Does Philly's Gm get penalized for taking Nick Foles in 3rd. Same with the Gm that drafted Joe Montanna.

 

[darefugee]

The draft is about taking people at good value. Taking Brady high would have been a big risk but you still have to give credit for seeing the potential as an NFL player.
So you only get credit if you draft a guy high in draft that makes no sense. If that's true then you only judge a GM by his first few picks.
Does Philly's Gm get penalized for taking Nick Foles in 3rd. Same with the Gm that drafted Joe Montanna.

Wow, I sure is schooled now.

 

[Gonzo]

well we don't know any of these people personally, Philbin may not be either

You're right, we don't know about anybody else, but we DO know about Pioli. Hardly a justification.

 

[dlockz]

Wow, I sure is schooled now.

WTF are you talking about. Im not going to change your opinion but to negate his drafting of Brady because he was drafted in sixth round makes no sense.
Last time I checked all draft picks that are success are good for your team.

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You're right, we don't know about anybody else, but we DO know about Pioli. Hardly a justification.

Im not judging him by anything other than his evaluation. I love when People say things like Philbin is a high character guy and in reality they have nothing to base it on.

 

[Gonzo]

WTF are you talking about. Im not going to change your opinion but to negate his drafting of Brady because he was drafted in sixth round makes no sense.
Last time I checked all draft picks that are success are good for your team.

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Im not judging him by anything other than his evaluation. I love when People say things like Philbin is a high character guy and in reality they have nothing to base it on.

But we do have something to base our assessment of Pioli on. Sure, you can't make an assessment of something you don't know for sure (Philbin's character), but you absolutely can when you do know, which is the case with Pioli. It may not matter to you, but it matters to me, and clearly it matters to everybody else in the league. Who would want to work with somebody like that?