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Exactly! They just want to be able to bump a two year old post to gloat!
Serious question for the anti-Tannehill crowd
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Exactly! They just want to be able to bump a two year old post to gloat!
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I was one of the first to smash Henne and label him a bust(took a lot of heat for it to I might add) I am not there with Tannehill yet. He is on the fence of Average Joe starter to top 10 QB. While the fan in me hopes he takes huge steps this year, the realist has lots of doubts. New offense to learn, and junk oline doesn't help him out. His final 2 games left a bad taste in my mouth, and showed he has lots of work left. I know all the excuses will poor out, Buffalo's dline owned us, Hartline went down etc.... That said to be a great qb in this league you over come that, and that is the difference between being Alex Smith or Tom Brady. Luck had Hilton, Fleener, and camp fodder for the rest of the lineup and he found ways to win. That's what we need Thill to grow into, if not he is Jay Fiedler!
He needs to stop leaving points on the field, find away to hit the deep ball to Wallace. Eliminate his negative plays like scrambling for a loss against Baltimore backing up the fg etc....
He needs to stop leaving points on the field, find away to hit the deep ball to Wallace. Eliminate his negative plays like scrambling for a loss against Baltimore backing up the fg etc....
I'd like to see him get much better at completing passes down the field
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If he could just hit a ****ing deep ball to Wallace so I don't have to hear the OP drool out how Wallace should have turned, jumped, flipped, spun, cartwheeled, and shoved a rocket up his ass to catch the ball it's a good start!
i like Tannehill and he WILL be better this year.. answer this, from what you've seen would you take ANY of these STARTERS over him??
ej manuel
hoyer
henne
alex smith
geno smith
matt schaub
ryan fitzpatric
jake locker
carson palmer
matt cassel or whoever starts in minn.
Mcnown or Glennon
i would DEFINATELY take Tannehill over these guys without question plus i could make a list of guys like Rivers, cutler, romo, flacco who we could argue about
What does he have to do to get you to believe in him?
Playoffs? QB rating? Yards? TDs?
What will it take to get you to admit he is a good QB?
Or are you holding him to a SB win?
Cause Dan never won one. And he was pretty decent.[/QUOTE]
ej manuel
hoyer
henne
alex smith
geno smith
matt schaub
ryan fitzpatric
jake locker
carson palmer
matt cassel or whoever starts in minn.
Mcnown or Glennon
i would DEFINATELY take Tannehill over these guys without question plus i could make a list of guys like Rivers, cutler, romo, flacco who we could argue about
What does he have to do to get you to believe in him?
Playoffs? QB rating? Yards? TDs?
What will it take to get you to admit he is a good QB?
Or are you holding him to a SB win?
Cause Dan never won one. And he was pretty decent.[/QUOTE]
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Bills game comments are just ridiculous. WR are dropping td passes? Rushing game in the negative? Free blitzers? No excuse good qb never lose.
WIN!
And win when it counts.
A string of 3 or 4 games where he plays above average to good will not do it. I have seen him do that twice, only to follow it up with poor play for several games.
He really just needs to do two things to take his game and this team to the next level. If he would..........
1. Get the ball out. Stop taking sacks every other play. Yea yea OL OL OL OL. Plenty of those sacks were on the OL. But, quite a few were due to Tannehill not having a clue how to manipulate the pocket, avoid rushers, and being indecisive when it comes to his reads. Get the damn ball out. There were plenty of instances where Tannehill had ample time and failed to make a play as well.
2. Start hitting that deep ball. If Tannehill would just connect on a few more of these it will force the opposing defense to respect his ability to hurt them deep down the field. This will open EVERYTHING up for our offense. Hitting the deep ball would result in several more points per game both directly, because of connecting on a long TD, and indirectly, because it will open up the rest of the offense so much.
If Tannehill could just do those two things he could be good. But, I am not sure he can do those two things. I love how so many people assume these aspects of his game will magically evolve. We will see. I do not think throwing a good deep ball is something that will just happen with practice. We shall see.
But, the bottom line is Tannehill needs to win for me to have any faith in him at this point. And as I said, it will take more than just a few decent games in a row. I am not suggesting that he must play well every single game, nobody does that. But, he needs to play well in 12 of 16. That gives us a great chance to win 10 with our defense.
Tannehill's problem is that even his best games do not register in the amazing range. His best games fall into the above average or good range for an NFL QB. This is why we fail to score 30 points. You just can not win that way. With a defense as good as ours it is a shame we do not at least make the playoffs. The efforts of our defense is completely wasted because we can not consistently score in the mid 20's with the occasional 30 point game. It just does not happen. Look at all of the games we would have won last season if we had scored 24 in every game.
Tannehill's best games are above average. He is good for 2 or 3 of them each year over the last two seasons.
His good games are average for NFL standards. Even those games we win most of them because of our defense.
His average games are below average for NFL standards. The sad thing is that because of how good our defense was, we win a good portion of these
His below average games are poor games for NFL standards. We lost a lot of games that we could have easily won if he had just played average for his standards. These are the killers. These are the games he mixes in way too often.
Tannehill gives you 3 or 4 of each of those type of games each season. And that is why this team has not won the last 2 years. He needs to be consistent. I do not need him to be one of the best 10 QBs in the league. If he were just in the upper half and played consistent football, this team would be a contender. Alex Smith would have won a ton of games with this defense last season.
But, hell if Tannehill would just do the two things I started this post with, he likely would be a top 10 QB. He does several other things well already. He is not terrible at anything other than those 2 aspects. He throws a great 10-15 yard out. He could improve down the middle, but I think hitting those deep throws would open the middle up for him much more and give him good targets.
So if Tannehill is going to earn my trust back he needs to win. If the defense plays as well as it did last season, anything short of a 10 win season is a disgrace. Im starting to think this defense could be even better than last seasons. If it is, they may carry us to the playoffs unless Tannehill starts throwing more INTs.
And win when it counts.
A string of 3 or 4 games where he plays above average to good will not do it. I have seen him do that twice, only to follow it up with poor play for several games.
He really just needs to do two things to take his game and this team to the next level. If he would..........
1. Get the ball out. Stop taking sacks every other play. Yea yea OL OL OL OL. Plenty of those sacks were on the OL. But, quite a few were due to Tannehill not having a clue how to manipulate the pocket, avoid rushers, and being indecisive when it comes to his reads. Get the damn ball out. There were plenty of instances where Tannehill had ample time and failed to make a play as well.
2. Start hitting that deep ball. If Tannehill would just connect on a few more of these it will force the opposing defense to respect his ability to hurt them deep down the field. This will open EVERYTHING up for our offense. Hitting the deep ball would result in several more points per game both directly, because of connecting on a long TD, and indirectly, because it will open up the rest of the offense so much.
If Tannehill could just do those two things he could be good. But, I am not sure he can do those two things. I love how so many people assume these aspects of his game will magically evolve. We will see. I do not think throwing a good deep ball is something that will just happen with practice. We shall see.
But, the bottom line is Tannehill needs to win for me to have any faith in him at this point. And as I said, it will take more than just a few decent games in a row. I am not suggesting that he must play well every single game, nobody does that. But, he needs to play well in 12 of 16. That gives us a great chance to win 10 with our defense.
Tannehill's problem is that even his best games do not register in the amazing range. His best games fall into the above average or good range for an NFL QB. This is why we fail to score 30 points. You just can not win that way. With a defense as good as ours it is a shame we do not at least make the playoffs. The efforts of our defense is completely wasted because we can not consistently score in the mid 20's with the occasional 30 point game. It just does not happen. Look at all of the games we would have won last season if we had scored 24 in every game.
Tannehill's best games are above average. He is good for 2 or 3 of them each year over the last two seasons.
His good games are average for NFL standards. Even those games we win most of them because of our defense.
His average games are below average for NFL standards. The sad thing is that because of how good our defense was, we win a good portion of these
His below average games are poor games for NFL standards. We lost a lot of games that we could have easily won if he had just played average for his standards. These are the killers. These are the games he mixes in way too often.
Tannehill gives you 3 or 4 of each of those type of games each season. And that is why this team has not won the last 2 years. He needs to be consistent. I do not need him to be one of the best 10 QBs in the league. If he were just in the upper half and played consistent football, this team would be a contender. Alex Smith would have won a ton of games with this defense last season.
But, hell if Tannehill would just do the two things I started this post with, he likely would be a top 10 QB. He does several other things well already. He is not terrible at anything other than those 2 aspects. He throws a great 10-15 yard out. He could improve down the middle, but I think hitting those deep throws would open the middle up for him much more and give him good targets.
So if Tannehill is going to earn my trust back he needs to win. If the defense plays as well as it did last season, anything short of a 10 win season is a disgrace. Im starting to think this defense could be even better than last seasons. If it is, they may carry us to the playoffs unless Tannehill starts throwing more INTs.
I could ask the opposite questions of the folks who seem to adore this QB that has never won a damn thing for us.
Very simple. What does he have to do to get you to lose faith in him?
Keep missing playoffs? Ints? Sacks?
What will it take to get you to admit that he is very mediocre at best and is holding this team back?
A 2-12 season? Cause Henne never had one and he was pretty bad.
If the Phins start this season on something like a 2-6 run and are eliminated from contention before Thanksgiving will you still want Tannehill?
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I'd take Smith over Tannehill. Otherwise, saying Tannehill is better than the rest of those you mentioned is like bragging about being the valedictorian of summer school. He's better than Henne... well thank the maker for that.
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He is not a good qb yet, same excuses piled up for Henne. Sooner or later Thill either overcomes it or goes away and your excuses turn to bashing much like they did when Henne went bye bye!
Bringing up Dan doesn't help your argument, that's a top 5 all time QB who set a million records and more often than not had his team in contention despite a lack of talent around him the 2nd half of his career.
Ryan is not far from being a good QB, he showed flashes a year ago. The way he played against NE was the guy you guys want him to be and I hope he doesn't become. He has all the physical tools, he has the talent around him, he has to make big plays at big times and help his team win. For me it's all about winning, if he has lesser #s and does more to help his team win he'll have proven to me what some of you guys claim you already see. some people like #s, in a perfect world you get #s and wins but making big plays to help your team win is #1 in my book.
junc said it best..."make big plays at big times" that's what the big dawgs do. He has to carry the team in big spots to get the tough win. He needs that it factor we hear so much about. Tannehill has the tools, great kid, great outlook, great wife, just need to see the "it" consistantly.
Show me that he does this more often than any other young QB. I know he does it. I also believe he will improve with experience. I have no reason to believe it is more of a problem for him than any young QB. IN fact, I have evidence that it is less of a problem for him. Unfortunately, when combined with horrible pass blocking, the total number of sacks was outrageous.
There is one thing that was missing from Tannehill's game. That is the quick decision to escape the pocket completely (al la Wilson). Whether you think this is a fatal flaw depends on your philosophy. I believe some athletic QBs are too quick to give up on a play and scramble. I prefer that the QB stays with the play. The OL must hold their blocks for a reasonable amount of time. If the play calls for a 2.5 second route, I don't want my QB pulling the ball down and running after 2 seconds. I want my OL to block for 2.5 damn seconds (at least). Now if it should be obvious that the route is not going to work after 2 seconds, then I don't expect my QB to lock up and stay with a loser play. Last season the OL was too bad to be able to judge what was happening.
A WR making a play once in a while wouldn't hurt either. IMO, Wallace's inability to fight for contested balls led directly to the increase in overthrown balls later in the season. The window to hit Wallace with a deep ball is much smaller than other WRs. IMO, that is why Tannehill's success rate is higher with other WRs.
smith over tannehill.. you're nuts and the rest of those guys is half of the nfl..
I'd take Smith over Tannehill. Otherwise, saying Tannehill is better than the rest of those you mentioned is like bragging about being the valedictorian of summer school. He's better than Henne... well thank the maker for that.[/QUOTE]
I'd take Smith over Tannehill. Otherwise, saying Tannehill is better than the rest of those you mentioned is like bragging about being the valedictorian of summer school. He's better than Henne... well thank the maker for that.[/QUOTE]
IMHO, it is foolish to say there is nothing he could do to get me to believe in him.
If Tannehill goes out there and has a stellar season, leads this team to the playoffs, and the offense looks legit, how could I not believe in him?
The fact is that he will get that opportunity. All I can do is root for him to succeed. I do not believe he will have a great season or that our offense will be good. I hope I am wrong about that.
I think we could make the playoffs without Tannehill becoming a good player anyway. I think the defense could be good enough that as long as Tannehill does not turn into a complete turnover machine we could still win 9 or 10 games. If the defense takes a step back it could be a really long season though.