Sharpe: "Dolphins' Problems on Offense Can be Laid at Tannehill's Feet"

[where's th'fish]

Well don't look now, but Shannon Sharpe was actually a player in that offense at one time, and I suspect he analyzed hundreds if not thousands of hours of film in the course of doing the standard game review with his coaches and teammates.

That said, of course everyone here, including me, is going to have his own opinion. :)

For some reason most players seem to be football retards who don't understand anything about the game, and that includes TV analysts. Another possibility is that they purposefully take contrarian views to stir controversy. Maybe guys like Troy Aikman, Phil Sims, etc., take on bad-guy wrestler personas like in WWF, cause it's amazing how they don't seem to understand the game any better than the average joe.

I'll take it a step further, even many ex-coaches seem to have very questionable notions about the game. You seen how many of them manage the clock, 4th down situations, TOs and challenges as if they were amateurs. They clearly do other things well, but for my analysis I'll take a guy like Cyan Fahey who, by the way, provided extensive photographic evidence to support his assertions.

 

[LDaniel7]

With all due respect to some former football players trying to be analysts and announcers -- like Randy Cross, etc. -- some of them are as mentally acute as a punch drunk Muhammad Ali. Which is to say, a slobbering fool. Sharpe isn't the sharpest tool in the box. Multiple brain concussions are a terrible thing.

Tunnel vision and mental myopia, lol. See one thing and it becomes an entire "truth," which is then used as an interpretive grid for the whole.

Step back from the ledge, Dolphans, lol.

LD

 

[where's th'fish]

Again where are the receivers 1 second before those pictures. A qb can make tackles good or bad by getting rid of the ball or holding it.

A hall of fame receiver that played in this offense for a long time backs the OPs observations. How is that any different from the camera roll of tackle play being posted in new thread?

I'm going to bring up something from another thread. According to PFF, Tannehill gets sacked about half a second faster than the average QB. I think that clearly proves he's not holding on to the ball too long. Now, I'm sure he's missing some open guys. Every QB does, in part because you go through progressions. If your third read is open you may not get there if you're getting pressured too fast. On the other hand, I'm sure Tannehill is missing plenty of plays and making mistakes (Fahey himself shows that), he's young and far from the finished product. But if you tell me this guy wouldn't be killing it right now if he had an adequate OL, I strongly disagree. He's the only reason we're even competitive.

 

[EricCartman]

another Shouright thread to bash Tannehill?!?!

what a surprise

but no agenda, of course, there wasn't one last year, there isn't one this year...it is just a balanced analysis :)

 

[trojanma]

For some reason most players seem to be football retards who don't understand anything about the game, and that includes TV analysts. Another possibility is that they purposefully take contrarian views to stir controversy. Maybe guys like Troy Aikman, Phil Sims, etc., take on bad-guy wrestler personas like in WWF, cause it's amazing how they don't seem to understand the game any better than the average joe.

I'll take it a step further, even many ex-coaches seem to have very questionable notions about the game. You seen how many of them manage the clock, 4th down situations, TOs and challenges as if they were amateurs. They clearly do other things well, but for my analysis I'll take a guy like Cyan Fahey who, by the way, provided extensive photographic evidence to support his assertions.

I definitely think there is something to the media purposefully taking contrarian not just to stir the pot but because someone out there thinks that way. People tend to gravitate to analysis they agree with.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

another Shouright thread to bash Tannehill?!?!

what a surprise

but no agenda, of course

Hey, it just means that it's one more week that we don't talk about struggling special teams units, the fact that our entire draft class is on the bench, and that Mike Wallace really wasn't worth 60 million dollars. So I guess I'm OK with that.

 

[Hayden Fox]

Take care of the football RT.

 

[LDaniel7]

Hey, it just means that it's one more week that we don't talk about struggling special teams units, the fact that our entire draft class is on the bench, and that Mike Wallace really wasn't worth 60 million dollars. So I guess I'm OK with that.

These are the things that need to be talked about -- maybe with the exception of Wallace, because the jury is still out on that, imo. For several reasons -- groin injury, OL play, lack of playmakers on the other side to take real advantage, etc. To date he has not played to his potential or salary, but the mitigating factors are huge -- and systemic, so far.

On the other things that you raise: Draft FAIL at producing quality depth and "next man up" ability, which every great team has, by virtue of good front office work -- totally missing on the Dolphins. HUGE front office fail. Special teams is an outflow of that major failure, imo. Mediocrity and sub-mediocrity abounds.

These things -- including OL -- are the true discussion points, imo. How is it that a team cannot assemble a worthwhile unit in four years? And how is it that so much fail abounds in quality depth and drafted playmakers?

It's a freakin' mystery. Which needs some sunlight, lol.

LD

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

These are the things that need to be talked about -- maybe with the exception of Wallace, because the jury is still out on that, imo. For several reasons -- groin injury, OL play, lack of playmakers on the other side to take real advantage, etc. To date he has not played to his potential or salary, but the mitigating factors are huge -- and systemic, so far.

On the other things that you raise: Draft FAIL at producing quality depth and "next man up" ability, which every great team has, by virtue of good front office work -- totally missing on the Dolphins. HUGE front office fail. Special teams is an outflow of that major failure, imo. Mediocrity and sub-mediocrity abounds.

These things -- including OL -- are the true discussion points, imo. How is it that a team cannot assemble a worthwhile unit in four years? And how is it that so much fail abounds in quality depth and drafted playmakers?

It's a freakin' mystery. Which needs some sunlight, lol.

LD

Everything needs to be talked about. I'm all for talking about deficiencies in Ryan Tannehill's play, but he isn't the only person on the team and all of the parts are interconnected.

Ryan Tannehill threw two cruddy interceptions (his fault) that contributed to the loss on Sunday. But we led the game 21-20 after those interceptions, so why not talk about other issues with the team? We know the QB isn't good enough yet. Even people who staunchly support him agree he needs to continue to make improvements to his game. Why not look at some of the bad play at other positions?

I notice for instance that nobody -- absolutely nobody -- is talking about Mike Wallace right now, even though he's been flat out bad when he's had chances to make plays. And for what it's worth, I'm not looking to bash him either -- he's got to play better -- but let's look at why the entire offense is a mess right now. Who is primarily responsible? What was the desperation move made this week? Perspective.

 

[LDaniel7]

Everything needs to be talked about. I'm all for talking about deficiencies in Ryan Tannehill's play, but he isn't the only person on the team and all of the parts are interconnected.

Ryan Tannehill threw two cruddy interceptions (his fault) that contributed to the loss on Sunday. But we led the game 21-20 after those interceptions, so why not talk about other issues with the team? We know the QB isn't good enough yet. Even people who staunchly support him agree he needs to continue to make improvements to his game. Why not look at some of the bad play at other positions?

I notice for instance that nobody -- absolutely nobody -- is talking about Mike Wallace right now, even though he's been flat out bad when he's had chances to make plays. And for what it's worth, I'm not looking to bash him either -- he's got to play better -- but let's look at why the entire offense is a mess right now. Who is primarily responsible? What was the desperation move made this week? Perspective.

Personally, I believe the offense is majorly suffering because it's a timing offense without any consistency to the foundation of the timing, which is protection. It's a systemic breakdown.

Hartline said something to the effect that they are all playing w. clocks in their head. Pressing. Trying hard to make up for a foundational breakdown in timing. Tough. A WR misses that split second to sell a route or develop a route... the ball arrives one step too early or too late, because the passing lane got covered up, etc. Vicious cycle. Systemic.

And to be a young QB playing w. those parameters, man. Really tough. It's as plain as day to see this at work in Tanny. Hopefully it doesn't ruin him, having a bottom-dwelling OL for two years straight. If this don't ruin him, nothing will, imo.

And at the roof of this is talent acquisition and quality depth -- er, lack of, I should say. When starters at any unit play this badly without replacements potentially able to step up and play better... man, oh, man... it's bad.

LD

 

[trojanma]

Personally, I believe the offense is majorly suffering because it's a timing offense without any consistency to the foundation of the timing, which is protection. It's a systemic breakdown.

Hartline said something to the effect that they are all playing w. clocks in their head. Pressing. Trying hard to make up for a foundational breakdown in timing. Tough. A WR misses that split second to sell a route or develop a route... the ball arrives one step too early or too late, because the passing lane got covered up, etc. Vicious cycle. Systemic.

And to be a young QB playing w. those parameters, man. Really tough. It's as plain as day to see this at work in Tanny. Hopefully it doesn't ruin him, having a bottom-dwelling OL for two years straight. If this don't ruin him, nothing will, imo.

And at the roof of this is talent acquisition and quality depth -- er, lack of, I should say. When starters at any unit play this badly without replacements potentially able to step up and play better... man, oh, man... it's bad.

LD

Well said

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[J. David Wannyheimer]

Personally, I believe the offense is majorly suffering because it's a timing offense without any consistency to the foundation of the timing, which is protection. It's a systemic breakdown.

Hartline said something to the effect that they are all playing w. clocks in their head. Pressing. Trying hard to make up for a foundational breakdown in timing. Tough. A WR misses that split second to sell a route or develop a route... the ball arrives one step too early or too late, because the passing lane got covered up, etc. Vicious cycle. Systemic.

And to be a young QB playing w. those parameters, man. Really tough. It's as plain as day to see this at work in Tanny. Hopefully it doesn't ruin him, having a bottom-dwelling OL for two years straight. If this don't ruin him, nothing will, imo.

And at the roof of this is talent acquisition and quality depth -- er, lack of, I should say. When starters at any unit play this badly without replacements potentially able to step up and play better... man, oh, man... it's bad.

LD

Yep. But bottom line, I'm done making excuses for Tannehill or anyone else. The protection sucks. I know it sucks. We all know it sucks. Play better within the constraints of the ****ty parameters you are given, #17. Time to put on the big boy pants. And Mike Wallace, how about making some of those tough sideline grabs or contested deep balls when you got better position. Charles Clay, hold on to the football when the game is on the line. Lamar Miller, how about taking that long run to the house when you got an open field. Reshad Jones, how about breaking up a pass play for once this season.

 

[LDaniel7]

Yep. But bottom line, I'm done making excuses for Tannehill or anyone else. The protection sucks. I know it sucks. We all know it sucks. Play better within the constraints of the ****ty parameters you are given, #17. Time to put on the big boy pants. And Mike Wallace, how about making some of those tough sideline grabs or contested deep balls when you got better position. Charles Clay, hold on to the football when the game is on the line. Lamar Miller, how about taking that long run to the house when you got an open field. Reshad Jones, how about breaking up a pass play for once this season.

I agree that Wallace especially needs to start making more plays when given a chance. And I suspect he will as the season goes along. However, as I watch RT, I see most mistakes he is making rooted in the system breakdown. Asking (and expecting) him to transcend the crappy parameters is like giving a soldier a rifle w. 50 rounds, a handgun w. 10 rounds, and a knife -- then asking him to take out a fully armored enemy division sweeping over his position. "Fight better within your crappy parameters, soldier!" lol. At then end of the day, no matter how bravely or heroically that warrior fights, it's the Alamo all over again. He can take names all day, but eventually he falls to the numbers.

Honestly, most young QBs who are "developed" like this -- being thrown to the NFL wolves with a horrid OL, season after season, end up ruined.

That's what RT is facing -- and I think that not recognizing that (that he is facing what would ruin many young QBs) is not only unfair, but a deflection from reality.

LD

 

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[J. David Wannyheimer]

Here's the thing though, Tannehill has shown flashes. He just can't put it together consistently. He's shown he can be either a good game manager who doesn't turn the ball over and gives the defense a chance to win the game (Baltimore for instance) or he can move the ball and put points on the board (Arizona, Buffalo) but also cough the ball up a few times.

If Miami has any chance to save its season and win this weekend against the Patriots, Ryan Tannehill needs to find a way to move the ball, put points on the board, make big plays, and not turn the ball over.

Until he puts it all together, this team is going nowhere. Why isn't this team going anywhere until he is able to put it all together and start playing great football -- which he's not? Because the team around him isn't that great.

I still believe in him, from what I have seen. I think he will be a very good NFL QB and he just needs more time to grow into that role. But he clearly isn't there right now even though I am #1 on here banging the drum that he's far from the biggest problem with this football team.