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I felt the same way last year. I'd actually love to trade back and get 2 guys from Notre Dame. I think CB Morrison is a great scheme fit and so is S Xavier Watts. Morrison is coming off the injury or he'd definitely be a first rounder. Both guys are ball hawks
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Let's get Mills much later while we are there. Just no Oline guys with German sounding names.
TAMU has two guys named Shemar in this draft. The other one, Shemar Turner, has a reputation for having a quick trigger and being pretty fiery. He may have had his share of fights growing up with that name.
We brought him in for a visit, and he could be a 3rd round area target.
From Bob McGinn:
9. SHEMAR TURNER, Texas A&M (6-3, 294, no 40, 2-3): Played four years, starting 35 games from 2022-’24. “Liked him,” one scout said. “Had some cool traits. He plays hard. Tough and physical. He’s strong. He can run. He’ll knock the **** out of you. He’s a good point player in terms of strength and position and leverage. He’s got explosive power. Plays on his feet. Good against the double. Got good range on loops and stunts. You would like a little bit more consistent pass rush and overall production for a guy with his talent level. He leaves you wanting a little bit more. He’s a strong second-round pick. Played hurt all year.” Suffered a significant leg injury early in the season but returned quickly and went the distance. Finished with 115 tackles (24 for loss), 10 sacks and one pass defensed. “He’s getting some attention now,” a second scout said. Arms were 33 5/8, hands were 10 ¼. Four-star recruit from DeSoto, Texas.
Since this is the Shemar Stewart thread, here's what Bob McGinn has about him. The #3 Edge behind Carter and Walker.
3. SHEMAR STEWART, Texas A&M (6-5, 270, 4.58, 1): Third-year junior, one-year starter. “He’s the classic example of a guy who has no idea how to play football,” one scout said. “Doesn’t know how to take on blocks, doesn’t know how to find the ball, doesn’t know how to work off things. I was shocked he was 281 (at the Senior Bowl). He plays like he’s 240. He crushed it at the combine but in the games he is just a nonfactor. Just can’t figure it out. He’s damn near defensive-tackle size and they’re playing him standing up, too. He should be a hand-down, go-at-it guy.”
Was 270 at pro day after being 267 at the combine, where he was clocked in 4.58 despite tweaking his hamstring, posted a 40-inch vertical jump and a position-best 10-11 broad jump. “He looks incredible but he’s got like five sacks in his career,” said a second scout. “It’s a little bit all over the map, but the way he tested and the way he looked and ran he’s going in the first round.” Arms were 34 1/8, hands were 9 5/8. “Height-weight-speed physical freak show,” a third scout said. “He’s almost as good as Abdul Carter. Different guy completely. Good effort player. Plays hard in pursuit and in-line. Why isn’t this guy more productive? Wow edge speed. You really see it coming out of the turn. He’s explosive down the middle of a blocker. He’s really stout at the point. Plays with physicality. He lacked instincts and awareness. Mental delays when he’s stunting inside. Mental has to be looked into. Maybe it’s what they’re asking him to do. I don’t know. Maybe we could do something different with him and it would look different. Physically, this guy’s everything you want. He could play either defensive end or 3-technique.” Finished with 65 tackles, 4 ½ sacks and four passes defensed in 37 games, including 19 starts. Five-star recruit from Miami.
3. SHEMAR STEWART, Texas A&M (6-5, 270, 4.58, 1): Third-year junior, one-year starter. “He’s the classic example of a guy who has no idea how to play football,” one scout said. “Doesn’t know how to take on blocks, doesn’t know how to find the ball, doesn’t know how to work off things. I was shocked he was 281 (at the Senior Bowl). He plays like he’s 240. He crushed it at the combine but in the games he is just a nonfactor. Just can’t figure it out. He’s damn near defensive-tackle size and they’re playing him standing up, too. He should be a hand-down, go-at-it guy.”
Was 270 at pro day after being 267 at the combine, where he was clocked in 4.58 despite tweaking his hamstring, posted a 40-inch vertical jump and a position-best 10-11 broad jump. “He looks incredible but he’s got like five sacks in his career,” said a second scout. “It’s a little bit all over the map, but the way he tested and the way he looked and ran he’s going in the first round.” Arms were 34 1/8, hands were 9 5/8. “Height-weight-speed physical freak show,” a third scout said. “He’s almost as good as Abdul Carter. Different guy completely. Good effort player. Plays hard in pursuit and in-line. Why isn’t this guy more productive? Wow edge speed. You really see it coming out of the turn. He’s explosive down the middle of a blocker. He’s really stout at the point. Plays with physicality. He lacked instincts and awareness. Mental delays when he’s stunting inside. Mental has to be looked into. Maybe it’s what they’re asking him to do. I don’t know. Maybe we could do something different with him and it would look different. Physically, this guy’s everything you want. He could play either defensive end or 3-technique.” Finished with 65 tackles, 4 ½ sacks and four passes defensed in 37 games, including 19 starts. Five-star recruit from Miami.
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This sounds like the kind of player a team with very good coaching staff could do wonders with.
The question then is really very simple:
Do we have good enough coaches to warrant taking a risk on Mr. Stewart, or any other similar type of player?
This could turn out to be a very interesting situation, both during and after the draft. - LOL
Not seeing it with this guy. Overplays the ball often and gets swallowed up at the college level. What do you think is gonna happen at the NFL level? Huge pass at #13 for me. Which means it is going to be the pick Chris Grier chooses... book it.
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This was my thread initially, so I guess I'll comment on some of what's been said.
In general. in the 1st round, I always ALWAYS want to swing for the fences... and the last time I was so enamored with a player was with Micah Parsons... and I doubt if there is a brother here at FH that would not prefer having Parsons to the Waddle that we got. Sometimes, I think you can be presented with a player with astronomical upside who has some issues... with Stewart, I think you have a player who was asked to play the run first... instead of become a pass rushing menace. Hell, Parsons was more of an inside LB in college. Yes, I think the scheme he was in REALLY limited what he could have become.
Bust risk? Hell yes... but that athletic profile, dialed in and coached correctly? The sky is the absolute limit for a guy like this.
Big risk? Yep...
I'd do it.
In general. in the 1st round, I always ALWAYS want to swing for the fences... and the last time I was so enamored with a player was with Micah Parsons... and I doubt if there is a brother here at FH that would not prefer having Parsons to the Waddle that we got. Sometimes, I think you can be presented with a player with astronomical upside who has some issues... with Stewart, I think you have a player who was asked to play the run first... instead of become a pass rushing menace. Hell, Parsons was more of an inside LB in college. Yes, I think the scheme he was in REALLY limited what he could have become.
Bust risk? Hell yes... but that athletic profile, dialed in and coached correctly? The sky is the absolute limit for a guy like this.
Big risk? Yep...
I'd do it.
If we took him, I'd expect it would be wanting him to be the heavier version and play with his hand on the ground opposite Sieler. On passing downs, he could reduce down to 3 technique sometimes.
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Agreed... I see him in the heavier role. Hand down.
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Posted the full article in the scout thread but they had Stewart as one one of the most polarizing prospects
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What about Mykel Williams? He's another bigger end, who is a better pass rusher than Stewart. At least currently.
Stewart's upside is off the charts, but will he get there? Williams played hurt last year and still produced. He is good against the run.
I'm still a big fan of James Pearce, but he would be an eventual replacement for either Chubb or Phillips.
Stewart's upside is off the charts, but will he get there? Williams played hurt last year and still produced. He is good against the run.
I'm still a big fan of James Pearce, but he would be an eventual replacement for either Chubb or Phillips.
I don’t like the idea of a bigger end at 13. You can find those guys later on. Rather go a Nolen who can probably play as a 3-4 end but also kick inside. Any tape of stewart playing inside? He could probably do it if he was actually 290 but showed up at combine I think 267 which is the opposite of what I’d want as he’s now in no man’s land of being slightly too big to be an edge but too small to kick inside. Would of been more impressed if he actually was 290 stayed there and still put up great numbers for 290 rather than great for 267.
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If you trust that Sewart will figure out how to finish more sack opportunities then he would be a great fit on the other side of Chop.
He is an ELITE run defender who can set the hell out of the edge and would team well with Chop who is more the finesse edge who is not great against the run(he did improve as the season went on though).
A guy like Stewart or Mykel Williams would fit really well in the Ogbah role for Miami.
I would not be using #13 for either though as the need on the OL and DT are much too pressing to ignore early, and if you went for an edge there you would be in a position of some desperation at DT(especially since they need more than one addition there).You should be able to find a solid DT in the post Draft wave of FA, and maybe a solid RG as well but I really want to had young talent at DT and OL in this Draft.
Stewart will likely be off the board when Miami picks and 13 is too early for Williams so as always I would be looking to move back unless Will Campbell or Membou are sitting there.
He is an ELITE run defender who can set the hell out of the edge and would team well with Chop who is more the finesse edge who is not great against the run(he did improve as the season went on though).
A guy like Stewart or Mykel Williams would fit really well in the Ogbah role for Miami.
I would not be using #13 for either though as the need on the OL and DT are much too pressing to ignore early, and if you went for an edge there you would be in a position of some desperation at DT(especially since they need more than one addition there).You should be able to find a solid DT in the post Draft wave of FA, and maybe a solid RG as well but I really want to had young talent at DT and OL in this Draft.
Stewart will likely be off the board when Miami picks and 13 is too early for Williams so as always I would be looking to move back unless Will Campbell or Membou are sitting there.
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Harmon too. I really like Nolen a lot, nfl.com has him ranked ahead of Graham even. But I want to know what the character issue is.
I think it's particularly important for Miami to find not just good football players, but leaders.
If it's true that Hill and Ramsey are late for practices, that's particularly troubling considering they are supposedly team leaders.
The Dolphins need to start building a stronger culture.