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Should Fins take a chance on Tebow?
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McDaniels is a douchebag for picking him in the 1st round. The guys throwing motion is terrible, his accuracy is terrible, his footwork is terrible, his vision is terrible. He ran a few times at the end of the season last year when Denver lied and said Orton was injured (Orton came out and denied he was) so they could see what they had. When he ran it, he got injured. If he runs the wildcat ANYWHERE, he's going to get injured. He's our big, white Pat White.
There's some reasons i don't believe he will make it in the NFL.
I live in Colorado, people here are in denial my friend, believe me.
There's some reasons i don't believe he will make it in the NFL.
I live in Colorado, people here are in denial my friend, believe me.
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With Henning gone, Ronnie gone, I really think the wildcat is on its last legs. I hated the idea of drafting Pat White to play in the Wildcat, a waste of a pick for 3 or 4 plays a game. Same with Tebow. I think he can be a good pro footballer, but it wont be in Denver or here. IMO, like all players that struggle, the Pats turn them into stars, but I can see him doing well there, and possibly at the skins.
I wouldnt want him here because he would be wasted. Thats the only reason.
I wouldnt want him here because he would be wasted. Thats the only reason.
The Tebow backlash is unbelievable. There are plenty of terrible QBs in the league with no real NFL potential. You all wouldn't be picking up torches and pitchforks if Jake Locker became available. A lot of you booing now would talk yourselves into it and I have no trouble believing Tebow has more realistic potential than Locker. Hell, in Tebow's extremely brief career he rates better as a passer than Henne ever has and is, of course, an infinitely better runner.
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I can't believe some of you guys think Tebow sucks and has no talent. How in the world did he dominate in college and get the Heisman trophy then? Do they give that trophy to the guy who sucks or to the guy who is the best player in the country? I am a Buckeye and Hurricane fan and respsect Tim Tebow's talent and think in time he will prove some of you guys don't have a clue...he needs time to develop just like most NFL QB do...give the guy a break. What is wrong with the guy reading the Bible anyway? It sure beats some of the players who can't stay out of trouble and get arrested for stupid things that they have done.
CBS' Boomer Esiason has joined ESPN's Merril Hoge in already concluding that 24-year-old Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow has no future in the NFL.
We've become Tebow supporters in no small part because the media attacks on him are so constant and bordering on cruel. "He can't play. He can't throw," said Esiason. "... Just because he's God-fearing, and a great person off the field, and was a winner with the team that had the best athletes in college football, doesn't mean his game is going to translate to the NFL. What Josh McDaniels saw in him God only knows. Maybe God does know — because the rest of us don't." per Rotoworld.
This is correct.
We've become Tebow supporters in no small part because the media attacks on him are so constant and bordering on cruel. "He can't play. He can't throw," said Esiason. "... Just because he's God-fearing, and a great person off the field, and was a winner with the team that had the best athletes in college football, doesn't mean his game is going to translate to the NFL. What Josh McDaniels saw in him God only knows. Maybe God does know — because the rest of us don't." per Rotoworld.
This is correct.
Cause he played on the team with the most talent. If you put Tebow in Iowa would he be as good? would the Gaytors have won an national championship? No and NO.
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Forget quarterback. This guy is as good a conversion prospect for the TE/H-Back position as I've seen.
Conversion prospects can only be valued so high, because there's always an element of risk in trying to get a guy to play something he's never played before. But they do happen, basketball conversions to that position happen (Evan Moore of the Browns, Antonio Gates of the Chargers) and so do QB conversions (Zach Miller of the Jaguars, James Casey of the Texans). As far as those conversion prospects go, Tebow's about as good a conversion prospect as I've seen.
He moves really well. He ran a 6.66 second cone drill at the Combine, with a 4.69 in the 40 and a 38.5" vertical. If you look through the list of fastest cone drill times ever at the Combine, you're not finding a whole lot of guys that were 6'3" and 236 lbs running in that range. A 6.60 would have been good enough for Top 25 ever run at the Combine, and if you look through that list of Top 25 times, they're mostly smaller WRs, DBs, etc. You just watch him at Florida and he moves and is elusive like a RB, even though he's a pretty big guy. The vertical also stands out, 38.5" at that size is excellent. Only one Tight End in 2011 topped that mark, Virgil Green. That was the same vertical as Jimmy Graham in 2010, and the only Tight End that topped that mark in that year was Dorin Dickerson at 6'2" and 226 lbs. People get a little too greedy when it comes to vertical speed, straight line speed measured with the 40 yard dash. A 4.69 is more than fast enough. Being a seam threat is more about the scheme, leverage and technique. Tebow has enough speed to be a seam threat, and his run after catch would immediately be among the most impressive out there at the position.
As for blocking, that's usually the dilemma. These guys are often not very physical. That to me is where Tebow stands apart. He's always been a player that is too physical for his own good. He seeks out contact. I think his physicality will make him a good blocker.
When it gets right down to it, the guy is a performer: a coordinated, talented guy who can focus in pressure moments and slow the game down, execute. You can't do what he did at quarterback at Florida otherwise. When it comes to route running, reading leverage and reacting on the fly, adjusting to the ball, things of that nature...I think he'll be a natural because of his ability to perform. The knowledge of the game he gained at the quarterback position will help him understand the game at the tight end position. He should be a natural when it comes to understanding his role in an offense and how he needs to change the way he runs his routes based on the coverage he's reading.
And then of course when you get into the red zone and goal line situations, this was and still is a specialty of his. He had 11 touchdowns for Denver last year. That's not a coincidence, nor is it coincidental he scored all those touchdowns in the single-wing attack that Urban Meyer developed at Florida for him whenever they'd get near the end zone. He and Reggie Bush at the mesh point would look an awful lot like he and Percy Harvin did at Florida.
I don't have high hopes for this season at all, to be honest with you. Vegas has an over/under on wins at 7.5. Let's say I'm currently more inclined toward the 7 than the 8 on that line. Red zone and goal line efficiency can be very important to a team. If they were to acquire Tim Tebow and incorporate him properly into the red zone and goal line offense, then my inclination from the 7 on the 7.5 over/under, might flip to the 8...and that's a big change for ONE player to make, especially one you could evidently acquire for a 4th or 5th round draft pick, or some combination of Phil Merling and a draft pick.
Conversion prospects can only be valued so high, because there's always an element of risk in trying to get a guy to play something he's never played before. But they do happen, basketball conversions to that position happen (Evan Moore of the Browns, Antonio Gates of the Chargers) and so do QB conversions (Zach Miller of the Jaguars, James Casey of the Texans). As far as those conversion prospects go, Tebow's about as good a conversion prospect as I've seen.
He moves really well. He ran a 6.66 second cone drill at the Combine, with a 4.69 in the 40 and a 38.5" vertical. If you look through the list of fastest cone drill times ever at the Combine, you're not finding a whole lot of guys that were 6'3" and 236 lbs running in that range. A 6.60 would have been good enough for Top 25 ever run at the Combine, and if you look through that list of Top 25 times, they're mostly smaller WRs, DBs, etc. You just watch him at Florida and he moves and is elusive like a RB, even though he's a pretty big guy. The vertical also stands out, 38.5" at that size is excellent. Only one Tight End in 2011 topped that mark, Virgil Green. That was the same vertical as Jimmy Graham in 2010, and the only Tight End that topped that mark in that year was Dorin Dickerson at 6'2" and 226 lbs. People get a little too greedy when it comes to vertical speed, straight line speed measured with the 40 yard dash. A 4.69 is more than fast enough. Being a seam threat is more about the scheme, leverage and technique. Tebow has enough speed to be a seam threat, and his run after catch would immediately be among the most impressive out there at the position.
As for blocking, that's usually the dilemma. These guys are often not very physical. That to me is where Tebow stands apart. He's always been a player that is too physical for his own good. He seeks out contact. I think his physicality will make him a good blocker.
When it gets right down to it, the guy is a performer: a coordinated, talented guy who can focus in pressure moments and slow the game down, execute. You can't do what he did at quarterback at Florida otherwise. When it comes to route running, reading leverage and reacting on the fly, adjusting to the ball, things of that nature...I think he'll be a natural because of his ability to perform. The knowledge of the game he gained at the quarterback position will help him understand the game at the tight end position. He should be a natural when it comes to understanding his role in an offense and how he needs to change the way he runs his routes based on the coverage he's reading.
And then of course when you get into the red zone and goal line situations, this was and still is a specialty of his. He had 11 touchdowns for Denver last year. That's not a coincidence, nor is it coincidental he scored all those touchdowns in the single-wing attack that Urban Meyer developed at Florida for him whenever they'd get near the end zone. He and Reggie Bush at the mesh point would look an awful lot like he and Percy Harvin did at Florida.
I don't have high hopes for this season at all, to be honest with you. Vegas has an over/under on wins at 7.5. Let's say I'm currently more inclined toward the 7 than the 8 on that line. Red zone and goal line efficiency can be very important to a team. If they were to acquire Tim Tebow and incorporate him properly into the red zone and goal line offense, then my inclination from the 7 on the 7.5 over/under, might flip to the 8...and that's a big change for ONE player to make, especially one you could evidently acquire for a 4th or 5th round draft pick, or some combination of Phil Merling and a draft pick.
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You are correct sir. As always thank you for your many hours of work on this site. People on here are argue first and logic second. It's pretty silly. I don't agree with getting Tebow but thats just me. Doesn't mean that I'm gonna bash you for it. Keep up the good work
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being a jerk is a lot closer to garbage than this thread is
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Let's make a judgement on a guy with three career starts under his belt in his rookie year and write him off as a failure...I bet there wouldn't be too many QB's left in the league if all teams did that now would there?