Should of, Could of, Would of... been the beginning of the Ryan Mallett Era...

[LikeUntoGod]

Im good with the Pouncey pick over Ryan Mallett, Im still evaluating Daniel Thomas. Im not ready as you are in saying Thomas is the answer. However I have no problem with Thomas, my issue was with that the talents of Mallet was available we should of took Mallett instead, even if Mallett didnt work out. I had a big problem with Mallett being picked high because of his drug issues, but as a late seconder rounder and our team needs taking a chance on him should of been more of a priority.

What is really weird about his "drug issues" was what was really meant by it. The word was that Ryan Mallett was "too black" of a white guy. He listened to rap music over country. He was all hippity hoppity.

That freaked a lot of older white men in the NFL out.

This dropped the most NFL ready QB in the draft has a great arm who can make all the throws right in our lap. I understand that something like this happened to us 40-50 years ago with some guy named Marnia or something. The difference being that we had the balls to draft him.

I have thought in the past that this FO never took chances and always played it very safe in the draft. This had to be the safest draft in our history. We reached a little for a center with bloodlines. A lineman for a team that needs 3-4 of them so chances are that he would make the team. Then we moved up for a "power" running back while also not resigning the two we had, thus making it almost 100% that he would make the team if not start. Because if for no other reason, we had no other running backs (see L Johnson).

Pouncey and Thomas were locks if for no other reason that we made no attempt to bring in another decent center or RB to contest them. A little like signing Matt Moore and calling Chad Henne the starter before he gets here.

 

[LikeUntoGod]

I've seen him play many times. I even watched a number of his games including the loss to Alabama a number of times. I guess our opinions of him differ.

How many times did he lose to Alabama? 7-8?

And didn't Alabama(and Auburn) just win a National Championship and might win another this year?

And can you please list the QBs who had great games against Alabama in the last couple of seasons?

 

[LikeUntoGod]

you are out of your mind. joe berger was rated 2 YEARS AGO as playing well. so get your **** straight and stop trying to warp the facts. how many 20 yard runs did ricky have last year??? how many 10 yard runs?? a 35 year old running back CANNOT BE COUNTED ON TO CARRY THE LOAD. get it??? its pretty simple. which MEANS even if ricky was here - we STILL would need a lead back. so what does ricky solve exactly?? the guys rushed for 40 ****ing yards a game THROUGH FOUR GAMES????? and u are doing cartwheels and singing his praises?? are u high too??? lets see where he is after 16 GAMES. ricky williams was NOT a big loss, and the fact remains - HE COULDNT BE RETAINED BECAUSE HE RAN HIS MOUTH. he simply wasnt worth the baggage at this point. running backs around that 30 year threshold go from being productive one year and the wheels fall off the next. ricky had already lost his ability to get to the edge. im not saying he was terrible last year, but he certainly wasnt a threat either. it was time to move on. and its CLEAR it was time to move on. this was an EASY decision by the front office

So why not just keep Ricky also? Ricky is fine with being a back up. And he would have already played 80 downs.

 

[LikeUntoGod]

ricky is nothing more than a backup.

But a veteran back up who could still play is exactly what we needed.

 

[hightempo]

you really are dumb and wrong. please tell me when was the last time a projected franchise qb dropped all the way to the middle of the third round with 6 qbs taken ahead of them.

your story doesnt hold up. obviously by the number of qbs taken before Mallett, many teams put a high priority on qb.

They didnt seem to put a high grade on Mallett though

i'll put my JD from one of the most prestigious universities in this country and 139 IQ over your third grade reading level anytime.

Either way, i dont argue with children so have a nice day

clearly you are an intelligent man! it shows in the fact you cant even piece together a rational argument. im happy for you that your GED hangs proudly on your wall, too bad it hasnt led you anywhere in life. youre still that same old loser that got picked on at the playground, and thats why you think you have list your credentials for me. of course i see right through your false bravado, and realize that if you actually had half a brain you wouldnt think the way you do. i dont have the time to educate you, and quite frankly, you couldnt keep up anyways, so i wont even bother. im actually kind of appalled you are even a dolphins fan. its shocking to me. i think you missed your calling. the jets bandwagon is on another site, perhaps you can find a home there where ignorance reins. youll fit right in.

 

[hightempo]

So why not just keep Ricky also? Ricky is fine with being a back up. And he would have already played 80 downs.

they probably would have brought ricky back if he didnt say the things he did about sparano after the season. these guys are big on 10+ and 20+ yard runs and holding onto the football. ricky just doesnt measure up in these categories anymore. plus hes 35 or almost 35, which even though hes been pretty durable, makes him more injury prone than he might have been at one point.

the guy just isnt a stud anymore. i like ricky. always did. even understood why he left. just saying its not a huge loss, kinda meaningless in the big picture especially since he didnt support the coaching staff (which i dont either)

 

[hightempo]

What is really weird about his "drug issues" was what was really meant by it. The word was that Ryan Mallett was "too black" of a white guy. He listened to rap music over country. He was all hippity hoppity.

That freaked a lot of older white men in the NFL out.

This dropped the most NFL ready QB in the draft has a great arm who can make all the throws right in our lap. I understand that something like this happened to us 40-50 years ago with some guy named Marnia or something. The difference being that we had the balls to draft him.

I have thought in the past that this FO never took chances and always played it very safe in the draft. This had to be the safest draft in our history. We reached a little for a center with bloodlines. A lineman for a team that needs 3-4 of them so chances are that he would make the team. Then we moved up for a "power" running back while also not resigning the two we had, thus making it almost 100% that he would make the team if not start. Because if for no other reason, we had no other running backs (see L Johnson).

Pouncey and Thomas were locks if for no other reason that we made no attempt to bring in another decent center or RB to contest them. A little like signing Matt Moore and calling Chad Henne the starter before he gets here.

these guys didnt just make the team though. they have played very well. thomas needs to hold onto the ball and improve his blocking, but they have both shown signs they are going to be not just good, but very good players for us.

 

[hightempo]

Hightempo Bellicheck didnt have a 1st round grade on him. All he said is he`s the highest on his board.

Also you LOLAnalysis is comical. Brady and Montana were not highly touted out of college. They way uour trying to compare.Mallet to either of them is hilarious. Henne was better than Brady in college.

i love how people talk out their *** when they have no clue what they are even talking about. the numbers say CLEARLY brady WAS BETTER in college in every single way. brady had a higher winning percentage as a starter. his QB rating was 3 points higher. his completion percentage was 2 points higher, and he threw for 20 yards more per game as a starter than henne. henne also regressed his senior year and was 1-7 in games against ohio state and in bowl games. in otherwords henne NEVER could get it done in games that mattered. so want to check your facts??

belicheck DID say they had a first round grade on Mallett, and even if he didnt the grades generally on the guy were late 1st early 2nd. some teams might have taken him off their board entirely and some may have had different grades, but generally that was the word on Mallett, and thats WHY on draft day coverage it was surprising when he fell. parcells covered in his special that he had a high 2nd round grade on Mallett. pretty sure that guy evaluates players. pretty sure there are GMs that evaluate players in the same manner Parcells does. Mallett WAS EXPECTED to go late first, early second. he fell.

and this one should be easy for you. its not hard. this is a FACT. Mallett was selected IN THE 3rd ROUND. Joe Montana was selected IN THE 3rd ROUND. Tom Brady was selected IN THE 6th ROUND. in otherwords, they were all "middle round" selections so to assume (as the foolish poster did) that simply BECAUSE Mallett was a "middle round" selection this somehow speaks of his lack of talent is COMPLETELY IGNORANT - especially from someone who professes to have a mensa level IQ (which clearly isnt the case).

 

[hightempo]

I won't lol

dont worry i already laid it out for you. maybe next time u guys can get your facts straight and have something intelligent to say.

 

[natetherock]

i love how people talk out their *** when they have no clue what they are even talking about. the numbers say CLEARLY brady WAS BETTER in college in every single way. brady had a higher winning percentage as a starter. his QB rating was 3 points higher. his completion percentage was 2 points higher, and he threw for 20 yards more per game as a starter than henne. henne also regressed his senior year and was 1-7 in games against ohio state and in bowl games. in otherwords henne NEVER could get it done in games that mattered. so want to check your facts??

belicheck DID say they had a first round grade on Mallett, and even if he didnt the grades generally on the guy were late 1st early 2nd. some teams might have taken him off their board entirely and some may have had different grades, but generally that was the word on Mallett, and thats WHY on draft day coverage it was surprising when he fell. parcells covered in his special that he had a high 2nd round grade on Mallett. pretty sure that guy evaluates players. pretty sure there are GMs that evaluate players in the same manner Parcells does. Mallett WAS EXPECTED to go late first, early second. he fell.

and this one should be easy for you. its not hard. this is a FACT. Mallett was selected IN THE 3rd ROUND. Joe Montana was selected IN THE 3rd ROUND. Tom Brady was selected IN THE 6th ROUND. in otherwords, they were all "middle round" selections so to assume (as the foolish poster did) that simply BECAUSE Mallett was a "middle round" selection this somehow speaks of his lack of talent is COMPLETELY IGNORANT - especially from someone who professes to have a mensa level IQ (which clearly isnt the case).

Not to jump in the middle of this argument, although it is very entertaining, but comparing Brady and Henne's numbers in college makes little sense. I mean Henne will clearly win cumulative categories because he was a starter for 3 yrs compared to Brady's 2 yrs as starter. Based on the statistics you cited they were very close in several categories, which somewhat proves the fact that Brady was not high on many teams draft boards.

I don't think you make a good comparison between Mallett and Brady for the simple fact that Mallet was a 1st to 2nd round projection who slid. I agree with you that he was projected in the top two rounds, but your comparison to Brady's situation is not really relevant to the argument at hand. If the argument you are trying to make is that a franchise QB can come from any round of the draft, then you might as well throw UDFA's in the mix. There are always exceptions to the rules, but for every 1 Tom Brady there are 10-15 1st round QB's starting in the league. The same is true for 1st round QB's being busts.

I don't think you, I or anyone knows whether Ryan Mallett will be one of the Tom Brady exceptions.

 

[hightempo]

Not to jump in the middle of this argument, although it is very entertaining, but comparing Brady and Henne's numbers in college makes little sense. I mean Henne will clearly win cumulative categories because he was a starter for 3 yrs compared to Brady's 2 yrs as starter. Based on the statistics you cited they were very close in several categories, which somewhat proves the fact that Brady was not high on many teams draft boards.

I don't think you make a good comparison between Mallett and Brady for the simple fact that Mallet was a 1st to 2nd round projection who slid. I agree with you that he was projected in the top two rounds, but your comparison to Brady's situation is not really relevant to the argument at hand. If the argument you are trying to make is that a franchise QB can come from any round of the draft, then you might as well throw UDFA's in the mix. There are always exceptions to the rules, but for every 1 Tom Brady there are 10-15 1st round QB's starting in the league. The same is true for 1st round QB's being busts.

I don't think you, I or anyone knows whether Ryan Mallett will be one of the Tom Brady exceptions.

the fact that their stats were close doesnt prove anything about where they were graded. all it proves is that compared to henne, brady was a more consistent, accurate quarterback in college, and won football games on a more consistent basis. all it shows is that henne couldnt LEAD his team to victory in an important game to save his life. if we are going to make comparisons about these two quarterbacks in college, and try to make a case that brady wasnt as highly regarded coming out of college BECAUSE OF HOW HE PERFORMED. then i find it imperative to set the record straight. BRADY WAS A BETTER COLLEGE QUARTERBACK THAN CHAD HENNE by every statistical measure. so if you are going to discredit bradys perceived worth based on his college performance HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE FACT THAT CHAD HENNE WAS A SECOND ROUND PICK when he was an inferior college quarterback? the ONLY thing chad did more of in college is start more games. clearly if you look at simply these two quarterbacks college resumes, neither one was evaluated properly coming out of college. but to imply somehow that simply because brady was drafted in the 6th is an indictment of his talent or pedigree coming out of college is ridiculous. its an indictment of those that were trying to evaluate that talent. how one quaterback that is a complete failure in games that matter is deemed worthy of a 2nd round pick, and another, in the same system, with less time in that system, puts up superior numbers in every regard and is overlooked at the time he was drafted is beyond me.

on your second point the comparision is EXTREMELY VALID. BECAUSE they were both mid round picks. the other poster was trying to diminish malletts value based on the fact "well he slid to the 3rd round so CLEARLY he wasnt thought of highly as a talented QB" u said it yourself - "Mallett was a 1st to 2nd round projection who slid" you proved my point. Mallett WAS regarded as a talented player, and the other side of this is the two best quarterbacks to ever play the game were "middle round" picks in Montana, and Brady. so simply being selected in the 3rd round speaks NOTHING OF HIS INTRINSIC TALENT. it doesnt matter what grade a scout gives him, it doesnt matter WHERE he was drafted. AND I PROVED IT, very clearly.

the other poster tried to say essentially he wasnt highly regarded (which is FALSE), and in addition, that because he wasnt highly regarded, that he also wasnt very talented. ITS FLAT OUT IGNORANT THINKING for anybody that professes to be brilliant (which they clearly arent) and also watches guys like kurt warner, tom brady, joe montana, on and on and on perform with THE UTMOST TALENT at the highest level of the game year in year out in spite of their former draft standing.

ryan mallett has phenomenal talent - the question is; does he have the mind? ive seen some things that say he might. but there is always the possibility his resembles harry_bagpipe, in which case well have another ryan leaf on our hands

 

[bigchub22]

Relax we got a bruising back that only manages to bruise himself! No worries he racked up some yards establishing the run down 13 in the 3qt against the Texans, well until he fumbled! But he is already a Finheaven legend!

Your normally a good poster but this is just ****in stupid and childish. Let me guess your one of the finheaven draft "gurus" that was wrong. come on bro Trust me I'm on board that we should have taken mallet but that's not DT's fault and he has been impressive for a rook so enough with the bull

 

[jlfin]

Your normally a good poster but this is just ****in stupid and childish. Let me guess your one of the finheaven draft "gurus" that was wrong. come on bro Trust me I'm on board that we should have taken mallet but that's not DT's fault and he has been impressive for a rook so enough with the bull

I was hoping for Mallett too (on draft day). In my worst case scenario I couldn't envision the team being any worse than last yr, so I thought Mallett may have been able to beat out Henne by mid-season and actually upgrade the team. HOWEVER, there were clearly character concerns with Mallett as well as an admission of drug use. His best chance for long term success is probably with the Pats (a very stable orgnization). Had a dysfunctional team like the Phins drafted him, there is no guarantee Mallett wouldn't have succumbed to the same malaise that has affected every other player on the team. With nothing to play for and with lack of veteran leadership, Mallett may very well descended into drug use and partying in SoBe.
In hindsight, its probably a blessing that we didn't draft Mallett because as of now it looks like we will be in position to draft Luck or JOnes. Both of whom I'd rather have as an eventual starter than Mallett (by far).

 

[natetherock]

the fact that their stats were close doesnt prove anything about where they were graded. all it proves is that compared to henne, brady was a more consistent, accurate quarterback in college, and won football games on a more consistent basis. all it shows is that henne couldnt LEAD his team to victory in an important game to save his life. if we are going to make comparisons about these two quarterbacks in college, and try to make a case that brady wasnt as highly regarded coming out of college BECAUSE OF HOW HE PERFORMED. then i find it imperative to set the record straight. BRADY WAS A BETTER COLLEGE QUARTERBACK THAN CHAD HENNE by every statistical measure. so if you are going to discredit bradys perceived worth based on his college performance HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE FACT THAT CHAD HENNE WAS A SECOND ROUND PICK when he was an inferior college quarterback? the ONLY thing chad did more of in college is start more games. clearly if you look at simply these two quarterbacks college resumes, neither one was evaluated properly coming out of college. but to imply somehow that simply because brady was drafted in the 6th is an indictment of his talent or pedigree coming out of college is ridiculous. its an indictment of those that were trying to evaluate that talent. how one quaterback that is a complete failure in games that matter is deemed worthy of a 2nd round pick, and another, in the same system, with less time in that system, puts up superior numbers in every regard and is overlooked at the time he was drafted is beyond me.

on your second point the comparision is EXTREMELY VALID. BECAUSE they were both mid round picks. the other poster was trying to diminish malletts value based on the fact "well he slid to the 3rd round so CLEARLY he wasnt thought of highly as a talented QB" u said it yourself - "Mallett was a 1st to 2nd round projection who slid" you proved my point. Mallett WAS regarded as a talented player, and the other side of this is the two best quarterbacks to ever play the game were "middle round" picks in Montana, and Brady. so simply being selected in the 3rd round speaks NOTHING OF HIS INTRINSIC TALENT. it doesnt matter what grade a scout gives him, it doesnt matter WHERE he was drafted. AND I PROVED IT, very clearly.

the other poster tried to say essentially he wasnt highly regarded (which is FALSE), and in addition, that because he wasnt highly regarded, that he also wasnt very talented. ITS FLAT OUT IGNORANT THINKING for anybody that professes to be brilliant (which they clearly arent) and also watches guys like kurt warner, tom brady, joe montana, on and on and on perform with THE UTMOST TALENT at the highest level of the game year in year out in spite of their former draft standing.

ryan mallett has phenomenal talent - the question is; does he have the mind? ive seen some things that say he might. but there is always the possibility his resembles harry_bagpipe, in which case well have another ryan leaf on our hands

I think you missed my point on the Brady Henne comparison. I am in no way saying that Henne was superior in college, I am simply stating that comparing college stats for the two shows very little. You stated the statistics yourself that Brady was only a few points higher in QB rating and YPG etc. The fact they were close shows that the college stats show nothing about competitive nature and ability to win.

Again you missed the argument on my second point as well. I conceded that if your point was to show that a good QB can come out of a middle to late round (6th round is considered a late pick fyi) then your point is valid. If your point is to compare the players via where they were drafted, then YOU HAVE NO POINT. As I stated Mallett was a top rated pick that slid into the 3rd. Brady was never a 1st round projection that slid to the 6th. He was always a mid to late round projection. That is my point, not that a great QB can't come out of the mid to late rounds, but comparing Mallett to Brady is not a good comparision because Brady was always a low projection. I think comparing Mallett to Aaron Rodgers or another player who was highly projected then slid is much more realistic.

I still don't understand why you think Tom Brady and Joe Montana are the rule in these situations. These guys are exceptions. Thats not to say mid rounders cannot be great but more common than not they are career backups. Stereotypes exist for a reason, because generally they hold some validity. The same is true for the NFL Draft. Will a 1st round QB always be a starter or franchise guy no, but more often than not they will be. On the flip side will a 6th rounder generally turn out to be a franchise QB no, but sometimes they will be Tom Brady.

I think you make some valid points, however, they pertain to points I am not trying argue. I absolutely realize that a great player can come out of the mid to late rounds. I also realize that a great player can slide in the draft based on a million different reasons. Whether this is the case with Mallett has yet to be seen. In the case of Mallett you are correct that he did not slide based on his physical ability. He slid because of mental aspects or off the field issues.

 

[hightempo]

I think you missed my point on the Brady Henne comparison. I am in no way saying that Henne was superior in college, I am simply stating that comparing college stats for the two shows very little. You stated the statistics yourself that Brady was only a few points higher in QB rating and YPG etc. The fact they were close shows that the college stats show nothing about competitive nature and ability to win.

Again you missed the argument on my second point as well. I conceded that if your point was to show that a good QB can come out of a middle to late round (6th round is considered a late pick fyi) then your point is valid. If your point is to compare the players via where they were drafted, then YOU HAVE NO POINT. As I stated Mallett was a top rated pick that slid into the 3rd. Brady was never a 1st round projection that slid to the 6th. He was always a mid to late round projection. That is my point, not that a great QB can't come out of the mid to late rounds, but comparing Mallett to Brady is not a good comparision because Brady was always a low projection. I think comparing Mallett to Aaron Rodgers or another player who was highly projected then slid is much more realistic.

I still don't understand why you think Tom Brady and Joe Montana are the rule in these situations. These guys are exceptions. Thats not to say mid rounders cannot be great but more common than not they are career backups. Stereotypes exist for a reason, because generally they hold some validity. The same is true for the NFL Draft. Will a 1st round QB always be a starter or franchise guy no, but more often than not they will be. On the flip side will a 6th rounder generally turn out to be a franchise QB no, but sometimes they will be Tom Brady.

I think you make some valid points, however, they pertain to points I am not trying argue. I absolutely realize that a great player can come out of the mid to late rounds. I also realize that a great player can slide in the draft based on a million different reasons. Whether this is the case with Mallett has yet to be seen. In the case of Mallett you are correct that he did not slide based on his physical ability. He slid because of mental aspects or off the field issues.

i wasnt addressing your points, because they are off the subject. i dont really care who was a better college quarterback the OTHER poster did. he was saying henne was better and THEREFORE more highly regarded coming out of college. THATS INACCURATE. and BY THIS STANDARD OF MEASURE Brady should have been MORE HIGHLY REGARDED based on college career NOT LESS so my point was if brady WASNT highly regarded based on his college career then Henne SHOULD HAVE BEEN SEEN AS INFERIOR coming out of college. YET MIRACULOUSLY HE WASNT - he WAS A 2nd ROUND PICK. WHICH COMPLETELY DESTROYS THE BASIS he was trying to build an argument on. essentially saying Brady didnt have the talent and it showed, and THATS why he was a low draft pick. just COMPLETELY INACCURATE and GARBAGE.

go back and read the post. i was simply using what you said to to address how ridiculous, uninformed, illogical, and unintelligent. some of these posts were. and prove my original points beyond a shadow of a doubt.

i understand montana and brady are the exception. that was NEVER in dispute. what was proven is that just because a team picks a player in the middle rounds of the draft does not mean that player isnt IMMENSELY talented nor does it necessarily say the player wasnt highly regarded. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. its clear cut and its as easy as that. the other poster was trying to say that isnt the case, and that opinion is absent of reason, or logic, and flat out ignorant. k?