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Should Philbin have stood by Sherman?

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Many people are praising Munchak for refusing to fire his staff and some people are giving Philbin grief for not doing the same thing, but let's think about this. If Joe refuses to fire Sherman, what happens? Joe will be fired, and so will Sherman afterwards. So either way, Sherman is out of a job. If Sherman was such a good mentor for Joe, he should have stepped in and told Joe to go ahead and fire me or I would resign so he could continue as head coach.
 
Yes. Without question. Joe saved himself one season IMO.
 
Meh, at the end of the day Joe had to decide whether it was more important to him (and his family) that he was the head coach of the Miami Dolphins, or if it was more important to lose his job to stand up for his mentor.

Whether you think Joe can turn the team around or not, is irrelevant to this next point, but you can only get so many chances at being a head coach. At 52, soon to be 53, he's very unlikely to get a second chance. Gotta do what you gotta do.

As for this Mike Munchak talk, to play devil's advocate, was he loyal to Jeff Fisher by accepting the head coaching job he was just fired from? (Munchak was a long time Fisher assistant) I don't think so. You never know if you'll ever get a chance to be a head coach. You have to do what's best for you.
 
Joe did stand by Sherman imo. You don't have to get yourself fired to show loyalty. That's just stupid. As I said in the other thread, this situation isn't remotely like Mike Munchak's.
 
Joes job is to win games. To put this team in a position of winning. Sherman **** the bed. Our offense was awful.

This isn't friendship. this is BUSINESS. People need to stop acting like their running a lemonade stand.

Sherman knew the axe was coming. Philbin knew he had to make a change.

I'm sure Philbin stood by Sherman for as far as he could, but at the end of the day, his job is to win games.
 
Unless he believed 100% completely that Sherman was the right man for the job, then no, he should not have stood by him and I'm glad he didn't. I think the fact that Joe put the good of the team before his own personal allegiances is a GOOD thing. People who say that the players will lose respect for Joe for letting Sherman go are not considering that maybe the players will appreciate that he was willing to fire someone he felt was holding the team back, even though he was a friend and mentor.
 
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FWIW, it should also be mentioned that this was the 2nd year in a row Muncheck was asked to make changes to his staff
 
So we are assuming that Philbin was forced by Ross to fire Sherman? I know some beat reporters said so but they are all speculating as well. Or is there a report out that definitely says Ross forced Phibin to let go of Sherman? If so, can someone post it because I haven't seen it.

I believe it took the Dolphins so long to decide on the fate of Sherman because they were analyzing the whole season and avoided making a knee-jerk reaction right after the Jets game. That's how it should be IMO and I don't know why but somehow I believe that this was Philbin's idea all along. I am not the greatest supporter of Philbin but I think he was the one who ultimately decided that Sherman had to go. And I applaud him for that.
 
Zounds said:
Joe did stand by Sherman imo. You don't have to get yourself fired to show loyalty. That's just stupid. As I said in the other thread, this situation isn't remotely like Mike Munchak's.
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You don't give up one of the 32 top jobs availiable in your profession willingly.

That's just dumb.
 
He should be standing by him right now, on the unemployment line.
 
If reports are true then Philbin comes out looking even weaker in this process. None of it is good for Miami fans because if this is the major change we probably have a lame duck season ahead of us. The funny thing is the offense regressed under Sherman at about the same level as the defense regressed but Coyle still has a job. The oline coach took over a bad pass blocking line that had run blocked decently and turned them into a worse pas blocking line that couldn't run block at all and yet still has a job. Then of course there is our GM that helps build this mess and has been for 6 years that still has a job. Its easy to make Sherman a scapegoat but Coyle has done no better with the defense and our line has been an unmitigated disaster. Ross is probably looking in mirror admiring his bold move lol. Meanwhile the dolphin fans have to hope for the best all the while knowing that it will just be another wasted year but oh well
 
dlockz said:
If reports are true then Philbin comes out looking even weaker in this process. None of it is good for Miami fans because if this is the major change we probably have a lame duck season ahead of us. The funny thing is the offense regressed under Sherman at about the same level as the defense regressed but Coyle still has a job. The oline coach took over a bad pass blocking line that had run blocked decently and turned them into a worse pas blocking line that couldn't run block at all and yet still has a job. Then of course there is our GM that helps build this mess and has been for 6 years that still has a job. Its easy to make Sherman a scapegoat but Coyle has done no better with the defense and our line has been an unmitigated disaster. Ross is probably looking in mirror admiring his bold move lol. Meanwhile the dolphin fans have to hope for the best all the while knowing that it will just be another wasted year but oh well
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Yet you still didn't answer the question posted.

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andyahs said:
Yet you still didn't answer the question posted.

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Philben should do whats best for him this will probably be his only chance to be head coach at this level. He has put together a fairly middling staff that hasn't got it done for a fairly middling GM that hasn't got it done.
Philben wont be an NFl head coach much longer so that's for him to decide. At the end of the day if you felt he did a good job you should keep him and if you think he did a bad job you should fire him. The whole process makes him look weak and reeks of Sparano's last year where the answer was to give Sparano more say and change OC's. If Ross is making him fire his OC it shows Ross doesn't trust his coach to make that decision.
It is what it is and Im getting fairly numb to it.
 
Philbin must have known even last year that Sherman should have been fired but out of loyalty didn't do it and should have.

Fact is that Ross should have just fired them all. Just firing Sherman and not Philbin and Ireland too only creates more potential for drama and continued dysfunction in the organization.
 
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