Should Philbin have stood by Sherman?

[akfinfan]

Many people are praising Munchak for refusing to fire his staff and some people are giving Philbin grief for not doing the same thing, but let's think about this. If Joe refuses to fire Sherman, what happens? Joe will be fired, and so will Sherman afterwards. So either way, Sherman is out of a job. If Sherman was such a good mentor for Joe, he should have stepped in and told Joe to go ahead and fire me or I would resign so he could continue as head coach.

This is no different than a manager at a business that has a good or best friend working for them. If that person isn't producing and a change needs to be made, then you make it. If not, you need to go too. What is the goal here? To be a successful organization and ultimately win a Super Bowl. Sherman wasn't good enough. I applaud Joe for doing the hard task, the right task, by firing his friend and subordinate. As a military leader, I do not see this happen often enough and it leads to turmoil and disfunction when a supervisor has a "friend" working for them and they don't hold them accountable. Joe is holding Sherman accountable and also sends a message to anyone else on the staff that if you don't produce, you might get canned too. People want to talk about Joe Philbin not being a "leader of men". This is exactly the kind of leader he needs to be, by holding people accountable. If Joe doesn't right this ship be making this change, then he will need to go too....

 

[LandShark13]

Not sure how this could really be up for debate. What ever Joe does Sherman loses his job. Joe protects him he not only gets himself fired he also gets Sherman and his entire coaching staff canned. He did the right thing as much as i'm sure Joe hated doing it.

 

[dlockz]

Defense performed about same, if not slightly better, as a whole this year. The benefit is we got quite a bit younger and faster. Are you disappointed they're not the 83 Bears or something?

Your kidding right defense went from a strength to a question mark under Coyle and you act like Im being unreasonable lol.
What does this have to do with the 83 bears. Defense wasn't better. We changed one weakness to another. Also Im comparing Coyle's defense to guy he replaced and it has regressed which is what Im talking about.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

The problem is that same owner hired you with the ability to pick your staff, now he is changing the rules, makes you wonder what else is he changing the rules on, trust me Joe has lost a lot of his power by being forced to fire one of his coaches, Joe's days are numbered anyways so why not take the money, keep your dignity and not have another poor season on your resume...go back to being an OC on a good team and wait 2-3 yrs for next shot....

You guys talk as if they get fired they will no longer be employed in the league again, that is not the case, the league recycles coaches over and over again....

Ross changing the rules is no big deal. Circumstances change if things aren't working. Like getting fired.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

The problem is that same owner hired you with the ability to pick your staff, now he is changing the rules, makes you wonder what else is he changing the rules on, trust me Joe has lost a lot of his power by being forced to fire one of his coaches, Joe's days are numbered anyways so why not take the money, keep your dignity and not have another poor season on your resume...go back to being an OC on a good team and wait 2-3 yrs for next shot....

You guys talk as if they get fired they will no longer be employed in the league again, that is not the case, the league recycles coaches over and over again....

Zac Taylor and Jim Turner are likely to be unemployed in the league if they get fired. They had no NFL experience. Turner is tainted by Bullygate plus the fact that the OL has been awful under his tenure. Taylor is a nobody.

Also, I hate to say this, and it's disturbing to me that I'm saying it, but Ross was right. Sherman needed to go. Players were basically in open revolt and even Jeff ****ing Darlington has pointed out that EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE knew when we were going to snap the ball and what kind of play it was going to be. Gruden pointed it out on MNF. The Bills laughed about it. That's on Mike Sherman. And Joe Philbin.

 

[Fins1971]

Our run defense struggled due to LB swap.

Also got affected due to the ability of our pass defense. Our pass D was solid this year and teams didn't think it was the smart move to continue to throw against us.

Somebody gets it.

 

[Fins1971]

Yay we won one game versus NE but yet finished 3 games behind them. That half a yard is a lot in average, if you don't understand that then not much else I can do.
That's like saying its not a big deal that your back now averages 3.5 a carry instead of 4. Yea U focus on all the positives of another non winning season because there are so many. The defense overall got worse.
I mean you can say your bend but don't break defense beat the Pats but the same defense lost to the Jets. The same jets team that 4 times this season did not score a TD in a game

That 2011 team gave up over 100 yard rushing in 6 of our 10 losses. Go look at the game logs. We didn't stop anyone that was really good at running the ball.
We padded our rushing d stats against bad teams. Browns, Giants, Redskins, Raiders. etc.

When we faced the AFC East we gave up 100 yards 5 out of 6 times. Sorry but that is NOT elite.

 

[retarmyfinfan]

Many people are praising Munchak for refusing to fire his staff and some people are giving Philbin grief for not doing the same thing, but let's think about this. If Joe refuses to fire Sherman, what happens? Joe will be fired, and so will Sherman afterwards. So either way, Sherman is out of a job. If Sherman was such a good mentor for Joe, he should have stepped in and told Joe to go ahead and fire me or I would resign so he could continue as head coach.

If he throws his mentor and friend under the bus, what will the players think of him? They will not trust him for sure. I don't think they respected him to start with and this will make it worse.

 

[Hayden Fox]

If he throws his mentor and friend under the bus, what will the players think of him? They will not trust him for sure. I don't think they respected him to start with and this will make it worse.

agreed.

 

[scodoublet]

I think Philbin backed Sherman as much as he could and gave him every chance to get wins, but at the end of the day, Sherman couldn't get it done.
I also think the players see much more then we do and will respect how he stood by Sherman, but the players also see that Sherman couldn't get it done and they will gladly welcome an OC with fresh ideas.
Who knows, maybe Miami will even win a few more games!?
Any worse next season and Philbin won't be making any decisions...

 

[Hayden Fox]

I am surprised Sherman did not resign to give Joe some cover.

 

[Nawledge]

Joe did the right thing in my opinion. your job is to win. Sherman was not doing his job well.

here's a scenario..

youre the general manager of fancy restaurant and the head chef ( your friend u hired)sucks an kept ****ing up orders. you know he sucks, you know you should hire someone better who will give you a better product on a consistent basis. You've been friends with this guy for 30 years. Your restaurants owner (your boss) who u get along with says fire him, he's not doing his job to our standards and hes sending out raw chicken if you don't fire him then I will have to let you go. You like your job but what're u gonna do?

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I am surprised Sherman did not resign to give Joe some cover.

You don't keep the balance of your contract if you resign as a coach in the NFL.

You do if you get fired unless the owner can show cause other than perceived job performance.

 

[Nublar7]

If he throws his mentor and friend under the bus, what will the players think of him? They will not trust him for sure. I don't think they respected him to start with and this will make it worse.

I don't think the players really care about how Philbin fired Sherman or if they think he should have stuck up for him. The rumblings were that the players were unhappy with Sherman's play calling and wanted change. Philbin could have whipped Sherman in public and I don't think the players would really care as long as he is gone.

Fans wanted Sherman gone, the media thought Sherman should leave and players apparently wanted Sherman gone. There is no reason why Philbin should be criticised for doing exactly what mostly everyone wanted. The NFL is a cut-throat business where people get fired all the time and not always in the best ways. The Patriots during the offseason cut a player because he was diagnosed with diabetes.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

I don't think the players really care about how Philbin fired Sherman or if they think he should have stuck up for him. The rumblings were that the players were unhappy with Sherman's play calling and wanted change. Philbin could have whipped Sherman in public and I don't think the players would really care as long as he is gone.

Fans wanted Sherman gone, the media thought Sherman should leave and players apparently wanted Sherman gone. There is no reason why Philbin should be criticised for doing exactly what mostly everyone wanted. The NFL is a cut-throat business where people get fired all the time and not always in the best ways. The Patriots during the offseason cut a player because he was diagnosed with diabetes.

Exactly. I don't understand how this whole process is getting over thought.

ITS BUSINESS. It's about results. Either you deliver of get fired.

Every coach knows the deal.