should we have taken matt ryan?

[SuperMarksBros.]

Are we still getting on Jake for his pass blocking? In his 1st 5 starts, he's faced the likes of Richard Seymour, Bertrand Berry, & Mario Williams... 3 of the absolute best pass rushers in the league, and he's given up, what, 2 sacks? and gotten better each week.

You guys are unbelievable. This guy is an absolute stud, and people still pine for other teams' players.

 

[Rev Kev]

No. What Marino had was the best footwork of any QB in the league, the quickest release of all time, superior pocket presence, outstanding overall quickness, great moves to avoid rushers, great ability to shift within the pocket while staying focused downfield, a tough physical frame to withstand hits and still make throws, and the GUTS to stay in there and fire a strike on the money under pressure.

Thats what Marino had. It just so happened that Webb and Co. were blocking for the greatest of all time. So even if they didnt do so well on a given play, it wasnt uncommon for their QB to make it appear as if they were blocking flawlessly on the stat sheets. Get real.

Having said that, Webb certainly was no sloutch. But, he wasnt a HOFer either.

Now, are you suggesting you wouldve rather had Webb than Marino??????

Let me ask you this question. Would you rather have Marino and an avg. LT, or Webb and an avg. QB???????? Get back to me on that one.

In the meantime, Im drafting Matt Ryan with the #1 pick all day everyday when that scenerio comes up.

VW... I like Ryan would have not squawked had we drafted him..., but with all respect Ryan would be in splinters getting flushed right left and center had we not gone LT..., a LT mind you that can keep the "D" honest in the run game..., R. Webb could not, Long not only improves the Ground game but the play-action pass as well...

I'm sold on Henne..., he was throwing lasers in Arizona and he has no fear... If Pennington got hurt..., we'll be fine

 

[Kendra_Chelsea]

Are we still getting on Jake for his pass blocking? In his 1st 5 starts, he's faced the likes of Richard Seymour, Bertrand Berry, & Mario Williams... 3 of the absolute best pass rushers in the league, and he's given up, what, 2 sacks? and gotten better each week.

You guys are unbelievable. This guy is an absolute stud, and people still pine for other teams' players.

No its not about his pass blocking- now its we should have drafted ryan, even though ryan would have looked like leaf behind last years offensive line.

 

[Rev Kev]

Eli was an "elite" QB prospect...thus why he went #1 overall in the draft....

Eli was the same QB in the superbowl that he was this time last year....he only cut down his mistakes towards the latter part of the season and throughout the playoffs....he didn't suddenly and magically become able to make throws in the superbowl that he couldn't make prior to the superbowl....

The teams that are consistently winning are the teams that have elite quarterbacks...it won't get you a superbowl ring every single year...but it will give you the best shot at one every year...

The Giants "superbowl" offensive line last year was made up of a total of ZERO 1st round draft picks....but rather TWO undrafted free agents, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd round pick, and a 5th round pick...so spare me all the "building from the lines out is the only way to win" nonsense...

Why do teams who own the first pick in the draft select QB's at all then??

The Baltimore Ravens superbowl with Trent Dilfer? Dilfer was a 1st round pick himself....

The Dolphins won a HELLUVA lot more games with an elite quarterback and nothing else than they have drafting runblockers and a top 5 defense with no quarterback...

It didn't win them the superbowl but at least they got there...

You are swinging the argument which is your perogative..., Beck being drafted at the top of Rd 2 doesn't make him "elite" any more or less than the hundreds of QBs like Eli or Ryan Leaf who were drafted Rd 1 top 2...

Where you are drafted as a QB does not insure stardom...

By the way the NY Gmen did not ignore their lines of scrimmage like another well known franchise I know... Where they are drafted means little..., look at Kendall Langford... I had never heard of him when we drafted him I looked up his history and then I understood why BP and Sons went in that direction..., he stops the run...

Production is all I care about

 

[Kendra_Chelsea]

Absolutely.... Bruce Smith owned Webb..., if it weren't for Dan Marino Webb wouldn't be mentioned... Dan had like the 6th sense and stepped and /or released the ball as guys were barreling down on him...

Bruce Smith killed us... Smith had to be schemed for and we lost more than we won...

Webb wasn't a joke as a player but Marino made his career look a lot better than it would have been.

and yet it still took smith MORE than 3 seconds to reach Marino, even at his best. No quarterback, anywhere, at anytime could look good with only 2 seconds to throw the ball

If you find one let me know and i will have to start a new religion

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Are we still getting on Jake for his pass blocking? In his 1st 5 starts, he's faced the likes of Richard Seymour, Bertrand Berry, & Mario Williams... 3 of the absolute best pass rushers in the league, and he's given up, what, 2 sacks? and gotten better each week.

You guys are unbelievable. This guy is an absolute stud, and people still pine for other teams' players.

Richard Seymour is a 3-4 defensive lineman....not an elite pass rusher....no defensive lineman that has ever played in a 3-4 defense has been considered one of the best pass rushers....

Betrand Berry is another 3-4 defensive lineman....

Mario Williams is 290 pounds...he's a bull rusher...speed is not his primary means of getting sacks....and he did beat Jake on two plays that didn't result in sacks but put pressure on Pennington...

My concern all along about Jake Long was could he neutralize top speed rushers in the NFL....he doesn't have an elite left tackles lateral slide and kick step....

Jake hasn't faced an elite pass rusher yet....

Do you know the most sacks Seymour has had in a season?

 

[Rev Kev]

Richard Seymour is a 3-4 defensive lineman....not an elite pass rusher....no defensive lineman that has ever played in a 3-4 defense has been considered one of the best pass rushers....

Betrand Berry is another 3-4 defensive lineman....

Mario Williams is 290 pounds...he's a bull rusher...speed is not his primary means of getting sacks....and he did beat Jake on two plays that didn't result in sacks but put pressure on Pennington...

My concern all along about Jake Long was could he neutralize top speed rushers in the NFL....he doesn't have an elite left tackles lateral slide and kick step....

Jake hasn't faced an elite pass rusher yet....

Do you know the most sacks Seymour has had in a season?

Tedslimmjunior - get it off your chest..., name the three players that Jake has to face and defeatbefore you will relent that he is Stud LT...? And by the way I for one expect to give a scak here and there to top flight talant..., we'll make up an overzealous pass rush with the grind you to dust in the fourth quarter ground game...

It's coaching..., you put in your speed finesse rushers... fine we'll bowl over you..., the team who has the most positive plays wins..., teams will have to scheme around dear Jake..., JT cannot handle a guy like Jake on the run... Can anyone say Tony Boselli - what a mismatch that was - Gosh that was ugly...

 

[Kendra_Chelsea]

Richard Seymour is a 3-4 defensive lineman....not an elite pass rusher....no defensive lineman that has ever played in a 3-4 defense has been considered one of the best pass rushers....

Betrand Berry is another 3-4 defensive lineman....

Mario Williams is 290 pounds...he's a bull rusher...speed is not his primary means of getting sacks....and he did beat Jake on two plays that didn't result in sacks but put pressure on Pennington...

My concern all along about Jake Long was could he neutralize top speed rushers in the NFL....he doesn't have an elite left tackles lateral slide and kick step....

Jake hasn't faced an elite pass rusher yet....

Do you know the most sacks Seymour has had in a season?

The time we have to get the qb set has increased- run blocking has improved, he has given up fewer sacks at this stage (as far as i know) than any LT we have had since webb.

I cannot think of one single area he, as a rookie, has let me or the team down

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

You are swinging the argument which is your perogative..., Beck being drafted at the top of Rd 2 doesn't make him "elite" any more or less than the hundreds of QBs like Eli or Ryan Leaf who were drafted Rd 1 top 2...

Where you are drafted as a QB does not insure stardom...

By the way the NY Gmen did not ignore their lines of scrimmage like another well known franchise I know... Where they are drafted means little..., look at Kendall Langford... I had never heard of him when we drafted him I looked up his history and then I understood why BP and Sons went in that direction..., he stops the run...

Production is all I care about

I'm well aware that where your drafted doesn't ensure stardom....Matt Ryan was the best player in the draft as far as I was concerned long before the draft ever took place...

I knew exactly who Kendall Langford was as well...in fact, I list the top prospects in every draft at every position and rank according to my own observations...not Kipers, not McShay's, not Mayocks.....mine...and I had Kendall Langford projected as one of top DE's to play the 5 technique in a 3-4...

I seperated potential 3-4 DE's from 4-3 ends...different talents...different responsibilities...

The pick of Langford in the 3rd round has nothing to do with getting a franchise QB at #1...

 

[Finnie85]

looking back and knowing what i know now.. i would've still taken J.Long if we would've taken ryan with the first pick it would've been a stop gap and we would've paid him an arm and leg... we needed to rebuild the line... we ended up getting henne and pennington and thats what i deem as our future there...

 

[Rev Kev]

I'm well aware that where your drafted doesn't ensure stardom....Matt Ryan was the best player in the draft as far as I was concerned long before the draft ever took place...

I knew exactly who Kendall Langford was as well...in fact, I list the top prospects in every draft at every position and rank according to my own observations...not Kipers, not McShay's, not Mayocks.....mine...and I had Kendall Langford projected as one of top DE's to play the 5 technique in a 3-4...

I seperated potential 3-4 DE's from 4-3 ends...different talents...different responsibilities...

The pick of Langford in the 3rd round has nothing to do with getting a franchise QB at #1...

Why pay such a premium... if one doesn't have to...? We'll get the same production and have a LT for years to come..., Ryan ain't a lock to be the franchise either... even though you rated him no.1

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Tedslimmjunior - get it off your chest..., name the three players that Jake has to face and defeatbefore you will relent that he is Stud LT...? And by the way I for one expect to give a scak here and there to top flight talant..., we'll make up an overzealous pass rush with the grind you to dust in the fourth quarter ground game...

It's coaching..., you put in your speed finesse rushers... fine we'll bowl over you..., the team who has the most positive plays wins..., teams will have to scheme around dear Jake..., JT cannot handle a guy like Jake on the run... Can anyone say Tony Boselli - what a mismatch that was - Gosh that was ugly...

The top pass rushers speed wise in the NFL are guys like Demarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs (he'll see him Sunday), John Abraham, etc....

Lately JT's sacks came in bunches anyway against 3rd round rookies like Marshal Yanda, etc...

JT has been weak against the run for some time now....and yes...Jake would mash him...

However, you can't grind teams down playing from behind....QB's like Matt Ryan can bring you from behind....or play smart enough to keep the lead for you..

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Why pay such a premium... if one doesn't have to...? We'll get the same production and have a LT for years to come..., Ryan ain't a lock to be the franchise either... even though you rated him no.1

Same production as what? Ryan?

From where?

There are no locks in the NFL draft...none...only risks just as risky as the other risk...

Robert Gallery was supposedly the lock of the century at left tackle....so was Tony Mandarich....

I felt Ryan was as safe as a QB pick can get at the top of the draft...only the upside was more than any other player we could have taken...

 

[Kendra_Chelsea]

However, you can't grind teams down playing from behind....QB's like Matt Ryan can bring you from behind....or play smart enough to keep the lead for you..

unless he only has 2 second to throw the ball and then that all pro qb is doing more harm than good, by taking sacks or throwing interceptions- you know kind of like how brady harmed his team when miami manhandled and then shut them out a couple of years ago.

Boy that was ugly but that INT returned for a touchdown was pretty

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

unless he only has 2 second to throw the ball and then that all pro qb is doing more harm than good, by taking sacks or throwing interceptions- you know kind of like how brady harmed his team when miami manhandled and then shut them out a couple of years ago.

Boy that was ugly but that INT returned for a touchdown was pretty

When you're picking 1st overall in the draft....you have many, many needs...but throughout NFL history, every team that has ever had the #1 pick had ONE need above all....a quarterback...that will never change...

The only way you don't take the QB is if he CLEARLY isn't the best player on the board...

Matt Ryan was not only the best player IMO....but also filled one of our biggest needs....

As good as I felt Jake Long was...he wasn't the best at his own position in the draft....at the very least, the consensus was that Matt Ryan was the best at his own position....

Matt Ryan wouldn't have been playing behind last years line anyway....

Tom Brady has 4 Lombardi Trophies and a fingernail from almost having 5...along with 50 TD's and 8 INT's in the record books...and league MVP....lol....I wouldn't be bragging about a 21-0 shutout when he hung 56 points on us last year....

Grasping at straws are we?