Slimm's 2018 Safeties (Underclassman)

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  1. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    1. Derwin James / Florida St. / 6'2", 215 [#10 overall]

    2. Justin Reid / Stanford / 6'0", 207 [#37 overall]

    3. DeShon Elliott / Texas / 6'1", 210 [#65 overall]

    4. Ronnie Harrison / Alabama / 6'2", 207 [#104 overall]

    5. Jordan Whitehead / Pittsburgh / 5'10", 198 [#124 overall]

    6. Jesse Bates** / Wake Forest / 6'1", 200 [#127 overall]



     
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    Crazy stat: in 2015, Andrew Wingard and Marcus Epps accounted for 30% of all Wyoming solo tackles. Overall, I'm liking this Safety group - UC and Seniors.

    James is an incredible talent, but he has to show improvement in pass D. He likely will. Jordan Whitehead is nasty (better than Budda Baker imo), and Ronnie Harrison can do just about everything. Chase Hansen and Mike Edwards are also good all-around Safeties, but Harrison looks to have a different ceiling than those two.
     
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    Ronnie Harrison has so much physical talent. He also does well when they move him to dime backer. He's going to be an outstanding NFL S/S
     
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    Fitzpatrick or Derwin? For me I'm taking Fitzpatrick's ability to play all 5 positions in the secondary, and at an extremely high level. Quite honest, I'm not even sure what his best position is. It might be nickel.
     
  5. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Weakness is man coverage. It wasn't even close if you try to match him up in single coverage vs. Evan Engram. He knows Saban's defense and he's good at utilizing the pattern match concepts instead of just standing there covering green grass in zone. He usually makes the tackle quickly when a receiver enters his zone.
     
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    I'll take Derwin at safety. Minkah prefers to play CB as opposed to safety.
     
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    I love Mike Edwards and Jermaine Whitehead. Justin Reid and DeShon Elliott really upped their games this year, and they're both making a ton of plays. For teams looking for Safeties who can cover, I like those four a lot. After a very strong 2017 Safety class, it's nice to see that 2018 should also be good - if a rung lower than 2017.
     
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    You guys mention Mike Edwards a lot but as I'm watching Kentucky play the entire secondary has my attention.

    Darius West, Chris Westry, Kendall Randolph, Eli Brown...this is some impressive stuff.

    Eli Brown is obviously light for a linebacker but he covers the way you want a light-ish linebacker to cover.

    Darius West is the guy that has my attention the most at the moment. But I will definitely want to see how Chris Westry and Kendall Randolph test and measure.
     
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    Took another look at that Bama-FSU game and seems like Derwin more an in box safety type- Minkah seemed to have more coverage responsibility- may be the better ball hawk safety. Both top 10 picks.
    Would this be fair statement?:
    Minkah more MalikHooker type
    Derwin more Jamal Adams type
     
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    Should also add Minkah is better in run support than I thought. He's a special player. Perfect fit for Miami
     
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    Minkah and Derwin are both two of the most versatile DB's to ever come out.

    Minkah's position and responsibility changes depending on what package we're in. He does it all....boundary CB, field CB, slot CB. Deep safety, in the box safety. Blitz, cover, tackle. Although I didn't really like the way Minkah matched up with Auden Tate one-on-one at the goaline. Thought he was a little overmatched there.

    Derwin is literally just as versatile, only bigger. Difference is, FSU's defensive coaches weren't really creative enough to take advantage of it. Nor were they forced to because of injuries the way Bama's staff was the past two years.

    Furthermore, Derwin still didn't look all the way back healthy this season.

    Tell you what though....there's another kid in FSU's secondary by the name of A.J. Westbrook that displayed the most range of any safety I've scouted all year on several plays. I couldn't hardly believe what I was seeing on some of 'em. He's a good one too.
     
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    Thanks Slimm.
    Here is my hope:
    Rosen Darnold Mayfield Allen Barkley
    Oklahoma Tackle, Sutton, & maybe a Ridley or Nelson jump up...
    Leaves us one of:
    Chubb -James - Fitzpatrick.
     
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    I absolutely love DeShon Elliott...beast
     
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    We are having interesting discussion in other forum- if we figure 3 QBs and Barkley go before us, who is your top 7 picks for Miami--
    We are at definite Chubb - Derwin - Minkah.
    Others debated but no consensus:
    Orlando Brown
    Nelson
    R Smith
    Will check out Elliot tape. (Was not impressed by Malik Jefferson)
     
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    If your asking who the picks might be before Miami’s pick 11th ...I’ll take a stab at it in no particular order
    1. Rosen
    2. Darnold
    3. Barkley
    4. Chubb
    5. Fitzpatrick
    6. Nelson
    7. McGlinchey
    8. J.Allen
    9. R Smith
    10. B Mayfield
    A lot of guys can shoot up or down after the combine. Look at what it did for Hassan Reddick went from a day 2 pick to mid first round. I think the linebacker from Virginia tech will rise way up.
     
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    Would Elliott be a reach at 11?
     
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    If elite physical traits is an important parameter for you I think he would be. Best ballhawking safety in the draft though. If he runs well he might be in play.
     
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    Not for FS's IMO...
     
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    I would like to get a true fs and put McDonald into more of a dime backer role. I think they want that too to be honest.
     
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    Elliott, Reid might be there in the second. Whitehead sure will be but I would be a lot less excited about him.
     
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    I came across this clip and immediately thought of you. It should fast-forward immediately to about 8:56 into the video.



    I saw it and thought to myself who the hell is this #19 who looked like he was shot out of a ****ing cannon tracking down Flowers (who is generally used to outrunning people).

    A.J. Westbrook.
     
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    Hey Slimm, is there a reason Terrell Edmunds isn't here?

    Because I'm watching more of him right now and goodness, this guy is a pro. He's 6'2" & 220 lbs and yet he runs like all the Sons of Ferrell do, and those hips!

    He's got that quality to him as well, the attack dog, alpha, aggressive mentality...whatever you want to call it. It's visible.

    He seems inexperienced. He's reading and reacting quickly, but sometimes wrongly. And sometimes he's got the right idea and right recognition, but he attacks it wrong, puts his foot in the wrong spot, etc. I hate all these blanket declarations of every shortcoming as "coachable" but that's how I see his issues.

    The building blocks are there, though. Can catch the football, big at 6'2" & 220 lbs, great frame (again, all of the Sons of Ferrell have that), great speed, good hips, good mentality, reads and reacts quickly to put himself into the action, physically strong, an aggressive tackler. He makes plays on the football from the slot, covering slot receivers, and then he can turn around and make a deep play as a free center like he did with that pick-off on a deep ball against Syracuse in 2016.

    Basically what I'm describing is maybe a little bit less speedy version of Derwin James, and since Derwin has speed to give, that's not half-bad.

    As for speed, here's a nice cue:



    The RB here is Tavien Feaster, who was lasered at 4.34 and 4.42 in his two forty runs at Nike camp a few years ago at 5'11" & 202 lbs. He's bigger than that now, so probably not quite as fast.

    But what's interesting to me is that whereas TREMAINE Edmunds (the guy about which an NFC regional scout quoted to Lance Zierlein: "I don't think there has ever been a linebacker that has had his size and speed.") clearly cannot hang with this speed of Feaster on this play...TERRELL Edmunds looks flat out faster than Tremaine on the chase, and perhaps even as fast as Feaster.
     
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    Never liked him much. Some do but I don't.
     
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    What do you think of Armani Watts?
     
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    I have him in the 3rd/4th, because he puts himself in position to make a lot of plays, but I'd understand someone being lower, because he's small, not a great athlete, and he misses his fair share of plays.
     
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