Slimm's 2018 Tight Ends (Seniors)

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  1. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    1. Mike Gesicki / Penn St. / 6'5", 247 [#9 overall]

    2. Dallas Goedert / S. Dakota St. / 6'5", 256 [#60 overall]

    3. Troy Fumagalli / Wisconsin / 6'5", 247 [#138 overall]

    4. Durham Smythe / Notre Dame / 6'5", 253 [#154 overall]

    5. Tyler Conklin / C. Michigan / 6'3", 254 [#156 overall]

    6. Ethan Wolf / Tennessee / 6'6", 248 [#170 overall]

    7. Ian Thomas / Indiana / 6'4", 259 [#171 overall]

    8. David Wells / San Diego St. / 6'6", 255 [#205 overall]

    9. Chris Herndon / Miami / 6'4", 253 [#206 overall]

    10. Marcus Baugh / Ohio St. / 6'3", 247 [#225 overall]

    11. Cam Serigne / Wake Forest / 6'2", 240 [UDFA]

    12. Jeb Blazevich / Georgia / 6'5", 245 [UDFA]

    13. Blake Mack / Arkansas St. / 6'2", 229 [UDFA]

    14. Ryan Smith / Miami (OH) ) 6'4", 257 [UDFA]

    15. Melvin Vaughn / Old Dominion / 6'1", 233 [UDFA]

    16. Ryan Yurachek / Marshall / 6'0", 241 [UDFA]
     
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    I love Goedert. His ball skills and RAC are outstanding. He's going to be a star.
     
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    Gesicki might be the worst blocker in college football.
     
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    I wish he played at a better level of competition so we could get better calibration on him. I agree his tape is strong, but there always has to be some level of doubt based on the level of competition.
     
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    Ted, keep your eyes on Jordan Thomas at Mississippi State. Huge TE who has hands and is an underrated athlete.
     
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    I've got a mark on Jeb Blazevich of Georgia.

    One thing I find unique about him as a blocker is his feet are really good. He gets his hips around moving targets and is one of the most effective blockers you'll see out there.

    But there's more to him than that, and he's a good example of a TE that slips through the cracks a bit because the college game has for the most part forgotten how to incorporate TEs into the passing game.

    I saw some things in some of his 2015 footage that had me suspecting he was a dynamic receiving target in high school despite being more of an in-line blocker for Georgia. The high school tape bears that out. He came in with legit receiving and running skills, runs well with the football in his hands too, but at Georgia he blocks a lot.

    Definitely a guy worth paying attention to. He doesn't run like an athletic lineman. He runs better than that. If he tests well, and I suspect he will, he'll be a guy to keep an eye on.
     
  7. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Good blocker. He was completely phased out of the passing game in favor of a freshman. Isaac Nauta is much more of a mismatch as a receiving tight end.

    I currently grade him as a UDFA. Although I believe he can latch on at the next level as a 2nd or 3rd TE.
     
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    The Sooners TE, Mark Andrews, is a Jr this year, but he looks like he is going to be one to watch if he comes out.
     
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    I love Jaylen Samuels as much as Slimm does but I'm not sure you've got him in the right category here.

    I think he's just a RB for the NFL. The NFL are using RBs in inventive ways now so they'll think of him this way, like a Christian McCaffrey, Javorius Allen, Andre Ellington, James White, Dion Lewis, Alvin Kamara, etc.

    Except he's probably more David Johnson or Ronnie Brown than those guys.

    He's going to be highly rated. He's carried the ball 143 times for 909 yards and 23 rushing TDs over his career, and that's in addition to the 182 catches for 1,732 yards and 18 receiving TDs. He will draw easy comparisons to David Johnson.
     
  10. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    I think that's right, in reality he's a RB/slot receiver, but they've had to list him at TE just to make sure he can get on the field and get him touches. Particularly when they already had a Matt Dayes, Nyheim Hines, and an already next level caliber blocker at TE in Cole Cook.

    In other words, I wouldn't over analyze what position I have a lot of these guys listed under. A lot of guards are going to end up at center, a lot of centers are going to end up at guard, some guards at tackle, a lot of tackles at guard, a lot of WR's in the slot, a lot of DE's at linebacker, etc.

    It's all mostly dependent on what situations they land in at the next level as to where they'll actually line up at on Sundays.

    However, you can adjust quite accurately for this if you really want to and know with some certainty that a 6'2", 240 pound DE in the Sun Belt for example, is not going to line up on the LOS in the NFL...he's moving to linebacker.

    If you watch Jaylen Samuels play, you know it doesn't really matter what position you list him under. He's going to line up somewhere else on the next series.
     
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    What do you guys think of Yurachek?

    I watched him in the Marshall v. FAU game last week and the kid looked like a weapon.

    He doesnt have the measurables I'd look for in a prototypical NFL TE, but that kid looks like a gamer to me. I wasnt quite paying any attention to his blocking, but his hands and route running looked solid.

    Seems like a guy I'd like to try stealing in the later rounds.
     
  12. TedSlimmJr

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    I think he's a later round H-back type, the kind who will sneak into the NFL and make a roster somewhere. Limited athlete for the position, but just one of those kids that seems to love football and just looks like a football player.

    Smart kid...high achiever academically. I think his dad is an AD somewhere.

    Realistically, he has a little trouble creating any kind of significant separation even from C-USA defenders. He's typically always covered, but he usually catches the ball anyway. That's how he's managed to be so consistently productive. He'll play special teams in the NFL in my opinion...at least at first.
     
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    This TE Nate Wozniak of Minnesota has me interested, but not as a TE. He's 6'9" & 275+ lbs. He actually looks like a credible ball carrier when he catches the football, can run routes and get low enough to cut, which to me means that you could pack some weight on him and make him a nice developmental project at offensive tackle. The key is his blocking is everything you'd expect from a 6'9" & 275 lbs tight end who is played on the line with his hand in the dirt doing a lot of dirty work as a blocker. He can bend and get low. He has power.

    This is the athleticism though. Don't evaluate this like it's a tight end. Think about an offensive tackle capable of looking like this:



    Seattle likes to convert guys like this. Pittsburgh did it with the old 6'10" tight end from Army, Ali Villanueva. I watched Ali practice all week at Shrine practices and you knew he wasn't going to be a tight end but those guys make interesting tackle converts sometimes.
     
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    I like Fumagalli. He plays with passion and seems very reliable. I don't think his missing digit is an issue - he's played without it for years (and maybe it's a factor in helping to develop his catching skills to a high level). Also note that Wisconsin does a good job in developing players for the NFL. What round is Fuma projected to be drafted?
    Miami definitely needs to invest a high pick in a TE this year.
     
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    Would Herndon have been higher without the MCL injury?

    Late round flyer?Or Undrafted signee?
     
  16. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    I've always had a mid/later round grade on him. More of a #2 tight end at the next level.

    He's apparently really going through some struggles lately trying to come back from the knee. I always hate to see this kinda thing with these kids. Hopefully he'll be able to get back on track.
     
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    No idea what he's thinking
     
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    What did it say? Been deleted.
     
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    Incidentally I think Dallas Goedert went out there and verified his tape at his pro day even without running the 40.

    Only just started running and training two weeks ago because of his injury recovery, and already he's 35" vertical, 10'1" broad jump, 4.06 shuttle, 6.87 cone. I don't need to see any more on a 6'4.5" and 255-260 lbs guy with 34" arms, 10" hands, and 6'8" wing span. He's a physical phenom like Mike Gesicki. Better blocker, too.

    No matter what anyone says I think on an FCS guy you need to know those scientific measurements. Sort of like the diver saying that there are two types of diver, ones that pee in their wet suits and ones who lie about it? There are two types of analysts, ones who realize that FCS and D3 level competition ****s with your ability to purely judge athletic skills in a vacuum, and ones who lie about it.
     
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  20. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Scouts irked at Goedert for not running a 40 at pro day. Even though he performed all other agility tests and looked good in drills.

    Same thing with Rashaan Evans, scouts are pissed at him too for not running a 40 yard dash. It happens.
     
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    That's weird because I was reading Tony Pauline (who is fantastic by the way, and an all-around good guy to meet and hang out with) say that overall the scouts were pleased despite not running the 40 yard dash.

    I don't need to see the 40 yard dash for Goedert if he only just started running two weeks ago. The fact he could put up those vertical, broad jump, shuttle, and cone numbers despite only just starting to train in earnest two weeks ago says it all.

    I thought Rashaan Evans situation was a little more suspicious, personally.
     
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    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Yeah Evans is still nursing an injury too, which is why he still hasn't ran. Scouts know when they attend these things there are no guarantees ahead of time on what a kid is going to do or not do. The handlers are typically in charge.
     
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    Durham Smythe has me wondering do we really need a seam threat? He has great size, great blocking, and can catch. I like how you dont know if its a run or pass when he's out there, they flexed him out and looked great blocking for WR screens and ran routes as well. He's kind of like a Fasano but could develop more as a pass catvher. 4th round maybe?
     
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    Wow. Nice call.
     
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    Looks like we got 2 of Slimm's top 4.

    I sure hope Gesicki ends up a better pick than Goedert. Sure seems like a lot of people out there liked him better.
     

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