Slimm's 2018 Wide Receivers (Seniors)

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  1. TedSlimmJr

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    1. James Washington / Oklahoma St. / 5'11", 213 [#45 overall]

    2. D.J. Chark / LSU / 6'3", 199 [#48 overall]

    3. Cedrick Wilson / Boise St. / 6'2", 188 [#52 overall]

    4. Michael Gallup / Colorado St. / 6'1", 205 [#55 overall]

    5. J'Mon Moore / Missouri / 6'3", 207 [#71 overall]

    6. Dante Pettis / Washington / 6'0", 186 [#93 overall]

    7. Marquez Valdez-Scantling / S. Florida / 6'4", 206 [#102 overall]

    8. Daeshon Hamilton / Penn St. / 6'1", 203 [#103 overall]

    9. Andre Levrone / Virginia / 6'3", 226 [#133 overall]

    10. Jester Weah / Pittsburgh / 6'2", 210 [#135 overall]

    11. Darren Carrington / Utah / 6'2", 199 [#139 overall]

    12. Dylan Cantrell / Texas Tech / 6'3", 226 [#142 overall]

    13. Anthony Miller / Memphis / 5'11", 201 [#145 overall]

    14. Allen Lazard / Iowa St. / 6'5", 225 [#147 overall]

    15. Jaleel Scott / New Mexico St. / 6'5", 218 [#152 overall]

    16. Marcell Ateman / Oklahoma St. / 6'4", 216 [#153 overall]

    17. Daurice Fountain / N. Iowa / 6'1", 204 [#180 overall]

    18. Steve Ishmael / Syracuse / 6'2", 210 [#189 overall]

    19. John Diarse / TCU / 6'1", 209 [#198 overall]

    20. Javon Wims / Georgia / 6'3", 215 [#199 overall]

    21. Taj Williams / TCU / 6'4", 195 [#200 overall]

    22. Steven Dunbar / Houston / 6'1", 210 [#211 overall]

    23. Saeed Blacknall / Penn St. / 6'2", 208 [#216 overall]

    24. Linell Bonner / Houston / 6'0", 200 [#217 overall]

    25. Ka'Raun White / W. Virginia / 6'1", 199 [UDFA]

    26. Donald Gray / Mississippi St. / 5'10", 204 [UDFA]

    27. Jordan Villamin / Oregon St. / 6'5", 220 [UDFA]

    28. Allenzae Staggers / S. Miss. / 6'1", 190 [UDFA]

    29. Damion Ratley / Texas A&M / 6'3", 190 [UDFA]

    30. Robert Foster / Alabama / 6'2", 196 [UDFA]

    31. Adonis Jennings / Temple / 6'3", 205 [UDFA]

    32. Josh Stewart / UTSA / 6'4", 200 [UDFA]

    33. Da'Mari Scott / Fresno St. / 6'1", 210 [UDFA]

    34. Mikah Holder / San Diego St. / 6'0", 185 [UDFA]

    35. Garrett Johnson / Kentucky / 5'11", 175 [UDFA]

    36. Jeffery Mead / Oklahoma / 6'5", 195 [UDFA]

    37. Devonte Boyd / UNLV / 6'1", 178 [UDFA]
















    Slot/Return Specialist:

    1. Braxton Berrios / Miami / 5'9", 184 [#218 overall]

    2. Jeff Badet / Oklahoma / 5'11", 183 [#219 overall]

    3. Janarion Grant / Rutgers / 5'10", 180 [UDFA]

    4. Charles Nelson / Oregon / 5'8", 170 [UDFA]

    5. De'Mornay Pierson-El / Nebraska / 5'9", 185 [UDFA]
     
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  2. ckparrothead

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    Slimm, you've gotta get your eyes on Andre Levrone, Jr. of Virginia.

    Came out of nowhere. Only 25 catches from 2014 to 2016, including only 8 catches in 2016. Even in 2017 you see him subbing off the field a bit and may not even technically be considered a starter. So there's some stuff to be reckoned with as to why Virginia has disliked him and takes him off the field, a lot of times on obvious run downs.

    But I'm watching him block and he looks fine. Better than fine, matter of fact. Whether it's a run or whether he's running a "route" that is really just blocking for a guy underneath, he looks strong and feisty as hell. The substitution pattern is probably just an idiosyncratic offensive tendency thing for Bronco Mendenhall.

    He's 6'3" & 225 lbs (might end up more like 6'2" & 220 lbs at measurement, hard to say).

    But the dude can PLAY. He broke out against the UConn Huskies and then followed it up against Boise State this weekend. I didn't watch his UConn game but I was checking out Kurt Benkert and noticed this guy immediately.

    This is where he first stood out to me:



    That was a pretty nice sell. Looked to me like that corner kind of wanted to sit but couldn't because of the way this 6'3" & 225 lbs man sold the deep fade with his hips and feet.

    Then he follows up with this beauty, which lets you know this guy has some serious speed to contend with (which clearly CB Reid Harrison-Ducros cannot handle):


    (replay)

    Then you watch him knife past two deep defenders (CB DeAndre Pierce and S Kekoa Nawahine) when he had no business doing that...



    Good hands and feet to get beyond the jam, too...



    Oh and he's a standout on punt coverage, of course...

    https://youtu.be/dQsYXO2cRRI?t=6184

    Another underneath catch...

    https://youtu.be/dQsYXO2cRRI?t=6486

    And, of course, the double move...

    https://youtu.be/dQsYXO2cRRI?t=6622
    https://youtu.be/dQsYXO2cRRI?t=6651 (replay)

    The only real chink in the armor on this day against Boise State was that a few plays after that double move catch, he called his own number out of the game with what looked like either a side stitch or a back strain. Never went back in, not even on special teams.
     
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    This kind of talent doesn't truly come out of nowhere. Here's a play he made with QB Matt Johns in 2014 as a FRESHMAN...on FABIAN MOREAU, no less:



    And then this one on CB P.J. Williams (future 3rd rounder) back in 2014, also as a FRESHMAN:

     
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    Yes I've seen both games against Boise and UCONN and was a little curious who this kid was and why he's suddenly producing.

    However, it's pretty typical to find these NFL body WR's breaking out later in their career when they finally get a quarterback. Virginia hasn't had any consistency at the QB position in a decade. Benkert was supposed to become the starter at E. Carolina when Shane Carden graduated.

    Thanks for the heads up. I'll probably break him down this week. Looks like a kid that belongs here.
     
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    Some work I've done on Andre Levrone:

    This is what little I could find versus William & Mary, first game of the year:

    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Vertical - Catch 34 Yards TD
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Replay 34 Yard TD Catch

    This is him from the Indiana game in 2017, nice matchup with CB Rashard Fant:

    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom Slot - Out Route
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Punt Coverage
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Vertical Route vs Press
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Deep Vertical vs Press (Rashard Fant) - Incomplete Overthrown
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Route vs. Press
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Vertical Route vs Press (Rashard Fant) - Incomplete Overthrown (Fant held him)
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Punt Coverage
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom Slot - Route vs Press
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom Inside - Punt Coverage
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Vertical vs Press (Rashard Fant - Gets Hurt)
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Route
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Punt Coverage
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Whip Route - Catch 5 Yards
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Vertical (Rashard Fant) - Holding Called
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Replay Holding Call
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Motion - Route
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Stutter and Go - Incomplete Overthrown
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Punt Coverage
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Curl - Dropped
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Run Block
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Fade Route - Catch 19 Yards

    His game against UCONN.

    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Block for Screen
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Short Out - Catch 5 Yards
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Run Block
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Block for Screen
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Run Block
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Route
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Route vs Press
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Run Block
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Route vs Press
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Run Block
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Deep Vertical vs Man - Catch 39 Yards
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Replay - 39 Yard Catch
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Scramble Curl - Catch 9 Yards
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Run Block (nasty)
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom Slot - Corner Route - Catch & Run 73 Yards TD
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Replay - 73 Yard Catch TD

    This is the subsequent Boise State game:

    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Curl - Catch 9 Yards
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Replay 9 Yard Catch
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Vertical - Catch 30 Yards TD
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Replay 30 Yard TD Catch
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Vertical - Catch 64 Yards TD
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Replay 64 Yard TD Catch
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Route vs Press
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom Inside - Punt Coverage
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Comeback - Catch 8 Yards
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Top - Double Move - Catch 31 Yards
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Replay 31 Yard Catch

    And this is from when he was a Freshman at UVA, some big plays he made against big names:

    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom Slot - Vertical - Catch 29 Yards TD (Fabian Moreau Coverage)
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Replay Freshman TD Catch on Fabian Moreau
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Bottom - Fade - Catch 16 Yards TD (P.J. Williams Coverage)
    YouTube Time Stamp LINK: Replay Freshman TD Catch on P.J. Williams
     
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    I have mentioned before when talking about QB Kyle Kempt from Iowa State that to be fair, he's throwing to a couple of studs in the skill unit.

    One of those studs is WR Allen Lazard.

    I've not done much on him to be honest, but from what I have seen of him, it's conceivable I could like him nearly as much as Mike Evans...and Evans was one of my absolute favorites over the last five years.
     
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    Lazard was initially my #3 Senior receiver back in May. He's not the beast Mike Evans was. Not really comparable in terms of explosiveness, otherwise he'd already be at the next level. He can't create the separation in and out of breaks that Evans can. However, he's always been a consistent producer throughout his career despite never really having a quarterback, which I like about him. More of a size mismatch that excels at adjusting to mediocre passes than a true vertical threat like Evans.

    The main knock I have with him is he's inconsistent catching the ball and has struggled through it at times. Even McShay commented about it on the sidelines while I was watching Iowa St. play Texas I believe.

    I have a 3rd round grade on him, feel like he grades out similar to how I had Kenny Golladay in last year's receiver class.
     
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    Jaleel Scott is extremely impressive.

    I'm not sure I've seen a WR from the senior class that I like better for the NFL than Jaleel.
     
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    Doni Dowling of UVA also looks pretty good. He's the only one of the WRs last year that gave Jaire Alexander trouble, and he gave Jaire quite a bit of it.

    Somehow UVA manages to have all three of their primary receivers look really good, which you'd normally want to attribute to the quarterback Kurt Benkert, but then there are also a lot of stretches where each of the wide receivers take turns screwing up, and Benkurt takes big stretches of time looking bad as well. There's some sort of disconnect there that's hard to put my finger on. Can't tell if it's too many pro passing concepts for today's college game, too much disruption in the rhythm due to UVA running such an active rotation with skill players, or maybe stretches of bad play calling, or maybe all of the above.

    That offense should be a lot better than it is, judging by the skill sets of Andre Levrone, Olamide Zaccheaus, Doni Dowling, and their QB Kurt Benkert. And it actually reminds me of what's going on with the Dolphins.
     
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    To me, this is one of the most compelling wide receivers in the entire 2018 draft.



    I struggle to think what he does not have; what keeps him from being rated a 1st rounder. He's huge at 6'5" & 215 lbs and yet he runs speed outs from the slot like a much smaller guy. He's got the pure speed to separate deep and is one HELL of a leaper. He Moss's corners on the regular. He finds the holes between zones. He comes back down his stem and works his way back to the quarterback. He is in tune with his quarterback on scramble drills. He plays multiple receiver positions. He's got full body control and coordination. He catches the football on the run without breaking stride or unnecessary jumping. He uses his hands and body to keep the defender in jail and he's probably the most productive deep threat in the country.

    What more is there? I guess I haven't necessarily seen him be a dynamic run after catch guy? He's big, strong, has good feet and balance, and he's physical. It's not as if it takes a whole lot more than that to be a RAC threat.

    He's the wide receiver version of Marcus Davenport.
     
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    New Mexico St. has a couple of kids that I've felt were fairly underrated, or maybe even unknown the past couple years...most notably Jaden Wright, Terrill Hanks and Jaleel Scott.

    Scott just has a unique set of physical tools for the WR position. Simple as that. I think pretty highly of him as a prospect.

    However, there's a couple of things things that I view as "incomplete" in terms of his evaluation and cloud my projection of him to the next level pending further evidence. I've watched him closely the past 2 years.

    The first is I want to see how he's able to deal with press coverage on the outside. He doesn't see that in the Sun Belt. Even games versus bigger competition, defenses prefer to give him a big cushion because of his height and speed.

    Secondly and as you alluded to, he hasn't yet demonstrated explosive RAC skills on any consistent basis. I think defenses prefer to play him in front because they feel they can make the tackle on him in space based on film. As opposed to fear of missing a jam on him and having a 6'6" receiver with straightline speed running by their average college DB's who lack top recovery speed. Most college DB's have no experience pressing, much less in the Sun Belt.

    I'd like to see him not let the ball into his body as much as he does, and lastly...he only has one year of significant production.

    What he has shown is the ability to make big plays and flash talent. Lining up at multiple receiver positions and showing the ability to work for his quarterback are huge positives. He kinda reminds me a little of Brandon Coleman coming out of Rutgers, who was also probably the best deep threat in the country.

    Essentially, I just need to see how he deals with press coverage from top DB's, attack the ball more with his hands and be less of a body catcher, and show some sizzle with the ball in his hands.

    Hopefully he can put some of this on display in an All Star setting. Which can take him from an interesting prospect with some questions, to a bonafide stud that you wonder how you're going to deal with every week in the NFL.

    Personally, I have him as a top 150 player as he sits. But these are critical questions I need to see him provide answers to in order to boost my confidence in his projection.
     
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    Gallup is my favorite Sr WR. I see him as a guy who can do it all - separate with quickness and route running, pile up RAC, and win contested catches. He's primarily an outside WR, but he does great work from the slot. Despite his wiry frame, he plays with great strength - a bit like AJ Green in that regard (not saying he's in that super-elite range).
     
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    I think you've outlined it perfectly, as far as the arguments to be made against him. It's the lack of tape against press, the tendency to let a ball into his body (and double catch), the sparing tape of significant RAC plays.

    Thing is, I'm comfortable with all that.

    First off on the RAC thing, he's big and strong and fast, and has a knack for keeping his feet and/or staying in stride after he secures the football. When all of that is true, you're a good RAC player. You may not be a GREAT RAC player, but you're at least a good one. That may come off as a cheap argument, but it also has the benefit of being true.

    He's also relatively inexperienced. He didn't play a ton in 2016, so it's natural that you'd see some sort of evolution in his 2017 tape to where you find that each game he looks visibly just a little bit different than he did two games before. To that end, I thought his RAC skills particularly began to blossom starting with the Lousiana-Lafayette game. He followed it up with a nice RAC play against Idaho, but he also fumbled on that play.

    But if you really look at those three games, the La-Lafayette, Idaho, and then the final game of the year against South Alabama, I think you would find that his approach to RAC changed pretty significantly.

    Secondly with the press thing, you even alluded to what I feel is the natural argument against that, which is the fact some teams (Arkansas comes to mind) specifically avoided playing press against him. They decided it's too risky! If that's the case, should we really consider his play vs press to be a negative? It's closer to the opposite. He's so good with his hands and body at the top of the route to create space for the catch, and he's so big and he's so fast.

    I'm staring at a Diet Coke I bought from a vending machine downstairs. I've never seen this particular Diet Coke in low temperatures, but I'm pretty sure if I put it in the freezer, it's going to turn to ice.

    For what it's worth this is what I could find of him going against press, and I really do think the footage supports the theory that teams avoided press because he's so deadly against it.

    Soft shoe vs New Mexico
    True press vs New Mexico
    True press vs New Mexico (TD)
    True press vs New Mexico
    Zone jam on crosser vs Troy
    Press bail (RZ) vs Troy (TD)
    True press vs Troy (TD)
    True press vs UTEP
    Soft shoe vs Arkansas
    True press vs Georgia Southern
    True press vs Georgia Southern (TD)
    True press vs Georgia Southern (TD)
    True press vs Arkansas State
    True press vs Arkansas State**
    Soft shoe vs Texas State
    Zone jam on crosser vs Idaho
    Press bail vs South Alabama
    Press bail vs South Alabama
    Press bail vs South Alabama
    (I don't know what happened off camera, but the guy in press bail above ends up on the ground, and they started playing different coverage from then on)
    Soft shoe vs South Alabama
    True press vs South Alabama**
    Zone press vs South Alabama

    Seeing all that...I'm convinced the guy is good against press.
     
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    James Washington reminds me a lot of Chris Chambers coming out of Wisconsin.
     
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    Unbelievable. I made the exact mental comparison a few hours ago, without seeing your post. There was so much buzz about Washington the past few days at the Senior Bowl practices. I finally took a close look at him today and thought -- huh, 5-11 height but plays much taller given the arm length and determination to snag the ball...sounds like Chris Chambers to me.

    Washington is somewhat thicker and more sudden than Chambers and probably stopwatch faster. Chambers was more fluid. Overall I think they are very similar.

    I entered this thread tonight to see which seniors were being touted. Chark, Gallup and Hamilton have been impressive this week.
     
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    The size and arm length definitely lend themselves to the Chambers comparison. He's 5'11" & 210 lbs with 34" arms. That's pretty much Chris Chambers to a T. I've heard several Senior Bowl attendees make the same comparison. It's spot on.
     
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    Would Washington make a nice slot replacement for Landry if he's on the board early in the 3rd? Prior to this week I thought there was a good chance he could slip to the 3rd round, but now it doesn't seem as likely.
     
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    Said it elsewhere, but the way DJ Chark moves reminds me of Ted Ginn Jr., and I can see a similar role for him in the NFL - with Chark being bigger/thicker but not quite as fast as Ginn.
     
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    Just curious how much of Linell Bonner you've seen....this kid had the best pair of hands I'd seen in college football the past 3 years. Always been an underrated player.
     
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    Completely off my radar, but I'm checking him out right now, and I see what you mean! Also like his physicality - looks and plays bigger than listed height/weight.
     
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    Making the case for WR Daurice Fountain.

    Before we even get to the pro day let's get it out there that he's been the leader of the receiving corp at UNI for three years. They don't throw the football a whole lot at UNI but when they do, he's been the big receiving target there since he was relatively young. He actually became the team's #1 WR partway through his freshman year in 2014. Going back to how UNI doesn't throw much, they hadn't had a receiver catch 3 TDs in a single game in over a decade. Daurice Fountain has done it twice.

    Now you get to what he's like as a member of the team. To that end I like to look at interviews done by coaches and teammates throughout the years, to sort of see the evolution. But very early in his career, you're seeing comments like, "Man, he works hard." and then as you go through the years they keep piling up, "Worked his tail off", and "Big personality, loud, always practices hard, everyone always knows where Daurice is, challenges everyone around him all day long."

    Fast forward some more and you have him attending East-West Shrine practices. It was universally agreed that he was one of the biggest standouts during practice week. He got the game MVP (which is saying something for a wide receiver and return man to get that) because he stood out just as much during the game itself.

    I always like to say about All Star practices and game that they don't hurt you, can really only help you, I realize that in effect yes they can hurt you because if other guys at your position help themselves then they could leap-frog you on the rankings and that will hurt you. But that's very indirect and I'm not sure it's even useful to consider it. The point of the matter is All Star practices are a strange enough setting that I don't like to ding a guy if it doesn't work out there, because the setting as a pro (where you have months or even years to 'get it' as opposed to mere days) will be so much different. On the other hand, if you can show up to that odd setting and separate yourself CLEARLY (not just narratively, but with real, undeniable, consistent and significant performance), then that really does bode well for your NFL career. There are really only a handful of guys I find that separate in this manner at All Star practices and the game. The rest of the guys you hear about are mostly subject to jawboning. Daurice Fountain was one of those guys that really did separate himself at Shrine practice and in the game.

    Now you get to the athleticism. I'm just trying to stress that the story was already there before you got to the athleticism. The tape was really good. The character was really good. The production (if you take account of their tendencies) was really good. He nailed his Shrine practices and game more than perhaps any other player at the All Star setting.

    Smart kid, great communicator in interviews, bible study guy, teammates gush about him personally, wants to be a football coach when he's done.

    And now he measures 6014 & 204 lbs, runs between a 4.46 and 4.53, does a 42.5" vertical leap and 11'2" broad jump, with 14 bench reps. Both the vertical and broad jump numbers would've been the best at the Combine among WRs.

    That's a beautiful prospect. That's an under-followed guy that nails it every step of the way, and that's what you love to see, and it really does bode well for his NFL career.

    As for the tape, listen I can describe to you what I see, but I just don't know that I find it has a ton of value in this setting. People are going to see whatever they're going to see. I'd rather just give you the opportunity to see for yourself.

    If there's something I would just point out and emphasize, it's to pay attention to the speed with which he takes the ball from the point it makes contact with his hands, to bringing it into his body and/or away from the defender's reach. It's consistent. That can be really important at the position, and it bodes well for his future.

    He reminds me of Nuk Hopkins. I don't mean to be hyperbolic with that comparison. I obviously have no idea if his career will take him that far. I'm just saying stylistically. Although to be fair, the dreads and the #10 probably do a lot to re--enforce that comparison subliminally.

    I happen to have a contact at UNI that came to me months ago offering to get a hard drive full of UNI tape and cut up any prospect I wanted to see, and I gave him Fountain's name. That's not on YouTube yet. But in the mean time, here is some stuff you can find out there:

    2017 full game vs NDSU


    Interview at the Pro Day


    Some highlights from the Shrine Game


    Career highlights from UNI
     
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    I can't put my finger on know why but I'm reminded of Marvin McNutt.

    There will be some realities to contend with for a 5114 & 200 lbs player who "plays big" (which is code for slow). The combination of hands and run after catch are what would sell the story.

    My goodness it's basically a Jarvis Landry clone.
     
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    Any thoughts on Jester Weah of Pittsburgh. Weah is 6'2 210 runs a 4.4 and seems like a solid prospect for someone projected to go in the 6th or 7th round. I think his numbers dipped a bit without Nathan Peterman in 2017, but he could be a sleeper.
     
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    That's always been what stood out to me with Bonner, and he blocks his *** off in that offense. Tenacious. He's a tremendous hustler...he'll get after guys on an interception and run em down.

    As CK mentioned, he's slower and less explosive. Probably even slower and less explosive than Jarvis Landry, but I like the comparison. That's his game. Clutch receptions from the slot...tenacious blocker, incredible awareness and toughness, body control. Dependable hands.
     
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    I think he's a little better than 6th or 7th round. I'd like to think NFL teams know that too.
     
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    Thanks for the heads up. I should have known better than to put too much stock in some of the mock drafts and draft projections. What round are you thinking he might be selected? I see you have rated higher than MIller, Lazard, Scott or Ateman.
     
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    Right now I have him around #136 overall on my board, which equates to a later 4th round pick.

    Nothing is finalized yet and it's all still fluid....there will still be some adjustment up or down, but it gives you a general idea of where I have him.

    In other words, it's unlikely that he won't be in my finalized top 150 players.
     
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    Here is one of the games for Daurice Fountain from the aforementioned hard drive of UNI tape. It’s Cal Poly. He made a bunch of plays in this game but he could have made even more. There was a big TD he missed because he didn’t get his feet down. There was another big one handed catch he made out of bounds but that ball was thrown far too wide for him to get even one foot down. You can see his traits, ability to get open, position himself for the ball. You can also see perhaps why better QB talent, even in an All Star setting, helped him to stand out, as there were a lot of execution issues in this game coming from the QB.

    These are Cal Poly corners so you would like to see him dominate them. To that end, I would point particularly at the quick slant he took for a long touchdown, and the other touchdown off the scramble drill. On the first one, there were so much separation on a quick slant route that he never even got touched. That just is not supposed to happen. On the second one, the scramble drill, look how alone he is as he crosses the back of the end zone. That’s because of how fast and athletic he is, far too much for Cal Poly defensive backs. It’s what you want to see when you’re theorizing that you’re watching an NFL player play against a Cal Poly.

     
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    Daurice Fountain's QB is so bad. This is so hard to watch, LOL.
     
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    Where would Carroo rank if he were to be in this draft? He's got to be on thin ice but I still can't see them cutting him after investing 3 picks on the guy
     
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    Gonna go back a couple years here but I find Weah to be a near clone of Mike Williams [the Syracuse version].
    I'm always a fan of receivers who offer an expansive catch radius.

     
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    Normally I'm not overy enamored with WRs but I watched some James Washington last night and he appears to play bigger than he is. The Chambers comparison is very fitting but add just a touch of Jerry Rice. Just a touch.

    Another wideout that appears under the radar is Anthony Miller from Memphis. That cat reminded me just a little bit of Clayton and Duper. Perhaps it's my sleep deprived self but those were my thoughts.
     

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