So assuming that Ross cleans house
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MiamiDolfan85
DA M.I.A IS WHERE I STAY
It really all depends on what happens with Soliai...if he isn't re-signed,we have no choice but to go back to a 4-3.NT's take a minimum 3 yrs. to become relevant,and that's just if their good enough to be one....I mean there aren't going to be any on the FA market either.Ireland, being the genius that he is,never got insurance NT's behind Paul,which is a testament to his idocracy
Just because you have a 4 man front doesn't mean you don't blitz. I can't find the stats right now but I think last year the top three blitzing teams were New Orleans, Green Bay, and Philadelphia. Two of those three run a 4-3 scheme, they just live off zone blitzing. I do agree that if you have the right people and scheme it's easier to disguise a blitz when running a 3-4, but once again it goes back to having more specialized personnel.
Canadianfishfan
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Whatever works man. Hard to stop the big dogs by throwing "acorns" at them.
Do we really have talent on this team for either?
Do we really have talent on this team for either?
I have a slight preference for the 3-4. However, I am not sure taking our existing non-playmakers and plugging them into new positions will fix the issue.
LikeUntoGod
The Oracle
How many do you rush in a 3-4? A very slow NT, two slow DEs and one under sized OLB? (hey, that is FOUR also)
I'd trade away Soliai and get two good players for what he is making. Right now we have one and a 1/2 pass rushing OLBs and the 1/2 will retire this year. Starks, Odrick, Langford would all be great 4-3 DTs.
The 3-4 needs a couple of rare and costly players. A NT that cannot play 3 downs and two pass rushing OLBs that also need to try to cover someone. Since more teams are playing 3-4's, you have to reach in the draft for players that will fit and then often, overpay them.
Going back to a 4-3 would add a lot of players back on the draft board that we can't take because we play a 3-4.
I'd trade away Soliai and get two good players for what he is making. Right now we have one and a 1/2 pass rushing OLBs and the 1/2 will retire this year. Starks, Odrick, Langford would all be great 4-3 DTs.
The 3-4 needs a couple of rare and costly players. A NT that cannot play 3 downs and two pass rushing OLBs that also need to try to cover someone. Since more teams are playing 3-4's, you have to reach in the draft for players that will fit and then often, overpay them.
Going back to a 4-3 would add a lot of players back on the draft board that we can't take because we play a 3-4.
LikeUntoGod
The Oracle
And we do have the players for a 4-3 and some that would be very good at a zone blitz.
The 3-4 is good against the run but unless you have two top pass rushing OLBs it is weak against the pass.
We would trade away P Soliai for a high draft pick or...a QB.
Langford, Starks, Odrick, Merling and even Igor would make good 4-3 DTs who could be rotated. All of them could play a NT in a 3-3-5 etc. We could play Wake and Taylor back at their DE positions.
Misi would also now be a DE or a simple OLB. No more trying to force a good college defensive end into being a 3-4 OLB.
No more needing Wake and Taylor to make all our sacks. Now we have four DL all who can reach the QB from their positions. Langford, Starks, Odrick, Merling etc might be slow as DEs but they have good speed for DTs.
The other massive change we need to make is in the secondary. We drafted two good corners and we thought we were done, one reason being that our defense is stuck in the 1990's. We need at least 3 "starting corners" and some safeties who can pass cover.
Right now we cannot handle a team that have a good pass catching TE and can go 3 wide.
We need to adjust.
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I agree for the most part. I think Miami has most of the pieces to change to a 4-3 but lacking a few. They would need a WOLB that is smaller and faster who can cover the backs and TE's, but also blitz from time to time. I think Misi would be a good fit for a SOLB. They could line Wake up on the right and Merling on the left (who I think is playing out of position anyway). I would try and trade Soliai, and even Starks because as a 4-3 DT I think Odrick could be a beast, and I would resign Langford. Keep thos two in the middle and it would be tough to run against and they casn bot get push in passing downs.
I don't see any of these guys being able to reach the QB from any position. None of these players (with the exception of Starks to some degree) has any significant pass rushing ability. Having space eating 3-4 DE's is fine, but the reality is if these guys could pressure the QB, they would be doing so on obvious passing downs as interior guys when we would go to a 4 man line (irrespective of what our "base" defensive set is).
this all comes down to what a good coach is able to do.
the patriots were one of the first teams to run a really sucessful 3-4. then there is a run on NT's in the draft. everyone is clamoring to be a 3-4 defense. you stop the run and you win the games. 3-4 is where it's at.
but then there is a switch. the league starts passing more... the league starts realizing how to abuse the 3-4 is with TEs and quick plays accross the middle. who started that switch? the patriots. brady is throwing all over the field to Wes Welker over the middle. he picks up two tight ends in the draft and starts abusing 3-4 defenses.
and what does he do at the same time? starts picking up 4-3 players on the cheap because everyone is switching to 3-4. he gets haynesworth for nothing. he's loading up on line backers.... and why is he doing that? because he knows next year there is going to be a run on TE's. he's shown the league how to take advantage of the 3-4... and now he's running a 4-3... better known as, the defense that can better stop a quick passing game over the middle.
look for next year the patriots to get a few big bruising backs off the waiver wire for cheap becuase everyone is dropping running backs and getting te's and slot receivers.
I despise the patriots, but I'm so jealous of how that team is run... all Tony can tell us that Jason taylor played 312 snaps with 4 negative plays... he has no idea how to adapt
the patriots were one of the first teams to run a really sucessful 3-4. then there is a run on NT's in the draft. everyone is clamoring to be a 3-4 defense. you stop the run and you win the games. 3-4 is where it's at.
but then there is a switch. the league starts passing more... the league starts realizing how to abuse the 3-4 is with TEs and quick plays accross the middle. who started that switch? the patriots. brady is throwing all over the field to Wes Welker over the middle. he picks up two tight ends in the draft and starts abusing 3-4 defenses.
and what does he do at the same time? starts picking up 4-3 players on the cheap because everyone is switching to 3-4. he gets haynesworth for nothing. he's loading up on line backers.... and why is he doing that? because he knows next year there is going to be a run on TE's. he's shown the league how to take advantage of the 3-4... and now he's running a 4-3... better known as, the defense that can better stop a quick passing game over the middle.
look for next year the patriots to get a few big bruising backs off the waiver wire for cheap becuase everyone is dropping running backs and getting te's and slot receivers.
I despise the patriots, but I'm so jealous of how that team is run... all Tony can tell us that Jason taylor played 312 snaps with 4 negative plays... he has no idea how to adapt
Tunaphish429
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Right now even tho are personel is listed like a 34 we are pretty much running a 43. Which is part of the reason we cant get any pressure. Misi cant rush the passer, he is awful at it..So it kinda forces Nolan to show his hand and send Wake every play... We have no interior pressure...Last week against the chargers we ran alot of 43 featuring both JT and Wake as De..Still no pressue..
The interior pressure is our biggest problem...Oddrick was suppose to be our fix at the 3 tech spot.. Nothing..Is Tony Mcdaniel still hurt? He was a decent pass rusher.. Solia is pretty much a slob...No pressure..
If your gonna run a 34 these days I think its gotta be a zone scheme..It confuses offensive linemen and its not anti productive as say a 43 zone scheme..
Most of the posters are right that its a pass league I agree..So I would love to run a 43 again.. But you also would love to have versitility as well. I would love to have a strong side end like Justin Tuck that can get pressure on the outside or move inside on passing downs..
The interior pressure is our biggest problem...Oddrick was suppose to be our fix at the 3 tech spot.. Nothing..Is Tony Mcdaniel still hurt? He was a decent pass rusher.. Solia is pretty much a slob...No pressure..
If your gonna run a 34 these days I think its gotta be a zone scheme..It confuses offensive linemen and its not anti productive as say a 43 zone scheme..
Most of the posters are right that its a pass league I agree..So I would love to run a 43 again.. But you also would love to have versitility as well. I would love to have a strong side end like Justin Tuck that can get pressure on the outside or move inside on passing downs..
