So. It was tank for Burrow, not TUA LOL!!!!

[JKS4]

It's a shame they didn't tank. This franchise would be in an unbelievable position.

 

[fishbanger]

Wait? Did not the bengals tank for borrow? In second year going to super bowl. What did the bengals do wrong? They should be sued for winning a super bowl. NOT. IT WAS BAD TO MENTION TANKING. HOW MANY NBA TEAMS TANK.

 

[MARINO1384]

I mean I’m not the biggest Ross fan but if any fan has a problem with Ross wanting to bring in Tom Brady and lose a few games to grab a better qb which I’m certain almost every team does in certain positions, I’m not seeing it. Morally right? Ehh debatable however atleast we can kind of squash the Ross doesn’t know what he’s doing debate. Feel a little more comfortable knowing he’s tried to do some good whether it’s the right way or not lol

 

[studsatele]

Pretty sure Ross slandering Flo when he let him go and the color of Flo’s skin are what is making him not hireable.

Actually I'd say it is his skin color that is a substantial reason he got this job to begin with. I think he was atleast pretty decent as a coach. But I'm sure Ross was fantasizing about how woke he'd look at the ****tail parties.

 

[keller377]

The only way to prevent teams from "tanking" is to go the NBA route. Every team missing the playoffs gets ping pong balls thrown in and hopefully that part is not rigged.

A team like the Ravens for example could be picking #1, I don't like that at all, and it doesn't help the worst get better.

There is another more workable solution. That works better at leveling the playing field in the long run.

Don't just take last season into account, take 5 years or so, when determining draft position. That'll stop teams like the Colts going from Manning (where they were in the playoffs every year) to the best QB prospect in a generation just because they tanked for a year. Tanking would not have s big an effect on teams that have generally ben good. You could take a bit from the NBA and only implement this for the non playoff teams, to stop a team that went to the playoffs getting a high pick because they sucked for a decade before.

Both these idea of merit and I'd rather have them then the current method.

Also, since we are in the land of capitalism and competition, maybe we could have the teams bid on the players? Hell, maybe the players could actually have a say in it?

 

[Tua808]

Both these idea of merit and I'd rather have them then the current method.

Also, since we are in the land of capitalism and competition, maybe we could have the teams bid on the players? Hell, maybe the players could actually have a say in it?

Didn't Elway have a say in it? Refuse to go the team that drafted you.

 

[keller377]

Didn't Elway have a say in it? Refuse to go the team that drafted you.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Wasn't that almost 40 years ago? I can only think of Eli that's done it since and maybe a handful more that have even threatened.

 

[Ben Had]

No, i'd actually gain a little respect for Ross, losing was the obvious thing to do in that season.

I'm not sure we've paid people to intentionally lose but we have certainly paid a lot of people to lose.

 

[Libermaniac]

I have an honest question, and the Tua haters, don't jump on me for this. But, I'm honestly on the fence about Tua's future, and welcome all responses that are backed up with solid reason/facts. I just looked at Tua's stats this year vs. Burrow's rookie year stats. I feel that is a somewhat fair comparison because a) Burrow is 2 years older than Tua and b) Tua was rehabbing from a significant hip injury in his rookie year. The stats are REMARKABLY similar.

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR

Burrow 2020:

10

264

404

65.3

2,688

6.7

13

5

67

32

89.8

48.5

Tua 2021:

13

263

388

67.8

2,653

6.8

16

10

65

20

90.1

49.6

Tua threw 3 additional TDs, but 5 additional INTs to Burrow taking 12 more sacks. Everything else including average yards per attempt is really close.

I admit I didn't watch Burrow much this year, but I closely watched the last two playoff games, and he wasn't airing it out downfield by any means. He was more of a game manager-type, like Tua. He did have some very clutch first-down runs, but we've seen Tua do that too. I know Burrow hit Chase on many highlights this year on deep routes, but he generally looked very open.

So, that said, what have all the Tua haters seen that makes it impossible in their minds that Tua could make a similar jump this next year. Or even 75% of the jump. I mean Burrow is already approaching top-5 status. Wouldn't we be happy with a team led by a top-10 QB?

 

[Joe Dolfan]

I have an honest question, and the Tua haters, don't jump on me for this. But, I'm honestly on the fence about Tua's future, and welcome all responses that are backed up with solid reason/facts. I just looked at Tua's stats this year vs. Burrow's rookie year stats. I feel that is a somewhat fair comparison because a) Burrow is 2 years older than Tua and b) Tua was rehabbing from a significant hip injury in his rookie year. The stats are REMARKABLY similar.

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR

Burrow 2020:

10

264

404

65.3

2,688

6.7

13

5

67

32

89.8

48.5

Tua 2021:

13

263

388

67.8

2,653

6.8

16

10

65

20

90.1

49.6

Tua threw 3 additional TDs, but 5 additional INTs to Burrow taking 12 more sacks. Everything else including average yards per attempt is really close.

I admit I didn't watch Burrow much this year, but I closely watched the last two playoff games, and he wasn't airing it out downfield by any means. He was more of a game manager-type, like Tua. He did have some very clutch first-down runs, but we've seen Tua do that too. I know Burrow hit Chase on many highlights this year on deep routes, but he generally looked very open.

So, that said, what have all the Tua haters seen that makes it impossible in their minds that Tua could make a similar jump this next year. Or even 75% of the jump. I mean Burrow is already approaching top-5 status. Wouldn't we be happy with a team led by a top-10 QB?

You're comparing Burrow in Cinci's first ten games of his rookie year to Tua's thirteen games of his second year, because you think Burrow is 2 years older? Burrow just turned 25, and Tua is about to turn 24.

Yes, I would be very happy if Tua made significant progress this year and became a top ten QB.

 

[Libermaniac]

You're comparing Burrow in Cinci's first ten games of his rookie year to Tua's thirteen games of his second year, because you think Burrow is 2 years older? Burrow just turned 25, and Tua is about to turn 24.

Yes, I would be very happy if Tua made significant progress this year and became a top ten QB.

Burrow is 16 months older than Tua. So, during the years I compared, Burrow was 4 month's older than Tua. And the game count isn't as much as you imply because Tua played 1 1/2 series vs Buffalo and didn't start the Ravens game. Tua also threw fewer passes. And, he was leading in a lot of games, and so played a more conservative gameplan than Burrow, who only won 2 of those 10 games. Also, as I stated, Tua was coming off a hip injury ... most expected that first year to be a redshirt year, so I don't think the comparison is that unreasonable from an age/stats perspective. I'm just wondering, other than stats, what do people see that makes them think Tua can't get better just like Burrow did. It's not like Burrow has a cannon for an arm. It can't just be the results because people were saying Burrow was going to be a star even DURING Burrow's rookie year, but it's never been said about Tua. I'm seriously curious.

 

[Gsmack_42]

Didn't Elway have a say in it? Refuse to go the team that drafted you.

If I’m remembering right he was a pitching prospect in the Yankees organization. Think he even pitched some in the minors for them.

 

[BahamaFinFan78]

I want Tua to be successful. I am definitely unsure about his outlook. But you cannot deny Burrow has "it" and Tua does not. That may change, but right now there is no comparison. Tua's Tenn and NE games looked bad, very very bad

 

[eMCee85]

No it was TANK for TUA. Tua was going to be the #1 overall pick in 2020 draft right before his injury not Joe Burrow. The QB on the yacht was Tom Brady not Deshaun Watson. Flores did not want to recruit TB12 to a **** show in 2020 and he never went to that meeting on Ross's Yacht over and over he was not following the instructions of the owner and made Grier look like an *** because Ross trusted Grier and Flores is a good friend he will comply. Boy were they so wrong. TB12 then took himself to Tampa Bay end of story.

So do we know this to be true? That it was Brady? I've seen the reports but it doesnt actually name a qb. What other qbs were available in 2019 that it could have been?

 

[eMCee85]

I have an honest question, and the Tua haters, don't jump on me for this. But, I'm honestly on the fence about Tua's future, and welcome all responses that are backed up with solid reason/facts. I just looked at Tua's stats this year vs. Burrow's rookie year stats. I feel that is a somewhat fair comparison because a) Burrow is 2 years older than Tua and b) Tua was rehabbing from a significant hip injury in his rookie year. The stats are REMARKABLY similar.

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR

Burrow 2020:

10

264

404

65.3

2,688

6.7

13

5

67

32

89.8

48.5

Tua 2021:

13

263

388

67.8

2,653

6.8

16

10

65

20

90.1

49.6

Tua threw 3 additional TDs, but 5 additional INTs to Burrow taking 12 more sacks. Everything else including average yards per attempt is really close.

I admit I didn't watch Burrow much this year, but I closely watched the last two playoff games, and he wasn't airing it out downfield by any means. He was more of a game manager-type, like Tua. He did have some very clutch first-down runs, but we've seen Tua do that too. I know Burrow hit Chase on many highlights this year on deep routes, but he generally looked very open.

So, that said, what have all the Tua haters seen that makes it impossible in their minds that Tua could make a similar jump this next year. Or even 75% of the jump. I mean Burrow is already approaching top-5 status. Wouldn't we be happy with a team led by a top-10 QB?

Ugh, please just stop...