I think Odrick could play DE if we really needed him to. Sure he fits better inside, but I think he would be fine at DE, at least while we're switching schemes this season.
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I think Odrick could play DE if we really needed him to. Sure he fits better inside, but I think he would be fine at DE, at least while we're switching schemes this season.
I think you are way off. Wake is what - 240lbs? You want to play him at DE in a 4-3? And you are saying i don't understand players roles... Let's see how many 240lb guys play DE. JT was a big exception and teams had success when they ran right at him. And he was 6' 6" 260. Just because Wake would move to OLB doesn't mean he won't rush the passer - that comment makes no sense. Please tell me how many 240 guys play DE successfully.
As for Starks and McDaniels - you have 2 DT's playing at times out of position. McDaniels doens't get much playing time in the 3-4. He would get alot more in a 4-3.
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Yeah, I'm not saying he's incapable. I just think you want to get a lot of speed on that D-line. If you're running a 4-3, you want it to look something like the NYG's from a pass rushing perspective. And hearing Philbin talk about the importance of relative QBR, etc., him wanting to switch to a 4-3 makes a lot of sense. The Bears D played the Packers tough, and we've seen the Giants give high-powered passing offenses serious issues. Typically, it's easier to build a 3-4 D that shuts down the run and a 4-3 D that slows the pass. Going to be interesting to see how the D develops.
We don't have the personnel for the 4-3 but the article is right in that we barely have the personnel for the 3-4...we certainly lack depth at linebacker for the 3-4.
Dansby did play OLB in the 4-3 with the Cardinals before they switched...he's our most versitile linebacker. Wake cannot play DE in the 4-3. Look around the league and find me a 4-3 DE who's 245 lbs. He may have done it in Canada...but this ain't Canada. Wake is actually too light to be an OLB in the 3-4 but he got away with it because of his speed and rushing from a two point stance...I don't see him holding up against the run from the DE position, he might be able to get away with being a pass rush specialist only but if we're switching then I'm looking to see what kind of value I can get for Wake in the trade market.
Misi played DT and DE at Utah...he's no MLB in the 4-3...he's barely an OLB in the 3-4. I can see him moving to DE in the 4-3 but again, he's not a great edge setter and he lacks pass rush moves so I don't know how effective he can be. The switch to the 3-4 will leave us thin at DE and linebacker. I can see Dansby playing either OLB spot, Burnett could probably play either OLB spot as well...he was suprisingly good in coverage last year but he'll struggle with a lot of the faster TEs and RBs. Dansby could also play MLB but we really would be missing a MLB for the 4-3...and depth...shoot we have no depth. As for DE...Koa Misi and maybe IAF.
Our front 7, if we let Soliai, Langford and Merling walk which I think we will.
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Dansby did play OLB in the 4-3 with the Cardinals before they switched...he's our most versitile linebacker. Wake cannot play DE in the 4-3. Look around the league and find me a 4-3 DE who's 245 lbs. He may have done it in Canada...but this ain't Canada. Wake is actually too light to be an OLB in the 3-4 but he got away with it because of his speed and rushing from a two point stance...I don't see him holding up against the run from the DE position, he might be able to get away with being a pass rush specialist only but if we're switching then I'm looking to see what kind of value I can get for Wake in the trade market.
Misi played DT and DE at Utah...he's no MLB in the 4-3...he's barely an OLB in the 3-4. I can see him moving to DE in the 4-3 but again, he's not a great edge setter and he lacks pass rush moves so I don't know how effective he can be. The switch to the 3-4 will leave us thin at DE and linebacker. I can see Dansby playing either OLB spot, Burnett could probably play either OLB spot as well...he was suprisingly good in coverage last year but he'll struggle with a lot of the faster TEs and RBs. Dansby could also play MLB but we really would be missing a MLB for the 4-3...and depth...shoot we have no depth. As for DE...Koa Misi and maybe IAF.
Our front 7, if we let Soliai, Langford and Merling walk which I think we will.
| DE | DT | DT | DE |
| Ike Alama-Francis | Randy Starks | Jared Odrick | Cameron Wake (pass rush only) |
| Tony McDaniel | Ryan Baker | Koa Misi |
| OLB | MLB | OLB |
| Karlos Dansby | ????????? | Kevin Burnett |
| Jason Trusnik | Austin Spitler | Marvin Mitchell |
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He really could play both. You may see him start at De then move inside on passing downs...Oddrick is an effort guy tho, so I feel his best fit would be inside pushing the pocket. If your playing the 43 over tho then he would be an end but he would be a 5 tech. He would be taking on Tackles instead of guards that would give you the ability to move Wake out real wide in a 43.
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Wake played DE at 260-265 in Canada. I think he'd be just fine at DE.
You'd think after he'd silenced all the naysayers around here ("He'll never make the team", "He'll never make the field", "He'll never learn to be an OLB", "He'll never be a full-time OLB", "He'll never learn to stop the run", etc. etc.) that people would have a little faith in his ability. Oh well.
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I'll give you a great example off the top of my head. Mathis. The guy is even smaller than Wake. Dumervil is only 260. Cole is like 255. Babin is 260.
In a 4-3 the LB's primary responsibility is to play the run, and to provide coverage. Most 4-3 OLB's do very little rushing. This means we would only utilize Wake fully on third down, which is just stupid.
And Wake is 250 btw.
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I hear what a lot of you are trying to say about Wake playing DE because of his size. But Wake is 260 and he is really really lean. He can easly put on 5-10lbs. At 265 - 270 he can be very effective with his speed. See Chris Long. They are the same player. wake is more athletic. Will we need a rotation to keep him fresh ABSOLUTLY! But he can play and be an everydown DE in a 4-3.
Odrick to me is your 3 tech. He is strong athletic and quick. Sounds like a Warren Sapp to me. Straks is the stout 1 tech. and now we are just missing a starting DE. I dont know about Misi there.
LB's another toss up. You would think Bernett olb He has the best cover skills. dansby in the middle. the other OLB. Not sure of. Agian not sure about Misi there.
But here is an interesting name for the mix
Merling????????
Noone mentioned him. bet we get something out of him now.
Odrick to me is your 3 tech. He is strong athletic and quick. Sounds like a Warren Sapp to me. Straks is the stout 1 tech. and now we are just missing a starting DE. I dont know about Misi there.
LB's another toss up. You would think Bernett olb He has the best cover skills. dansby in the middle. the other OLB. Not sure of. Agian not sure about Misi there.
But here is an interesting name for the mix
Merling????????
Noone mentioned him. bet we get something out of him now.
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Some good arguements and opionions on here..Honeslty Wake is pretty small..there are some examples of small De's that play in the NFL...But it really matters where they line up as a de...How 7,8,9 tech...Alos Mathis is small too but generally speaking the colts d was really under sized and built to play with a lead...We know the eagles play a wide 9 which was built on speed..Which Wake is built for..I think Wake could play De in a 43 but the scheme and his responsbilites would have to fit what wake can do.
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Looking at Merling eye test wise..he is a NT or 3 tech in a 43..He reminds me alot of Starks
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To me Merling is a 1 tech due to his body type but you must remember he is very athletic and qucik so he can be a 3tech too. This is why I brought him up. If he is focused he could be a real force on that front in a 4-3. Reminds me of Canty with the Gmen.
I don't believe Wake weighed 260 for the BC Lions...they falsify measurables up there just like colleges do with their kids...just ask Nick Saban and Alabama...not one of their kids measured as listed in the Alabama program during the senior bowl. All we a few inches shorter. Wake did not hold up well against the run at OLB, he's going to get run over playing DE.Wake played DE at 260-265 in Canada. I think he'd be just fine at DE.
You'd think after he'd silenced all the naysayers around here ("He'll never make the team", "He'll never make the field", "He'll never learn to be an OLB", "He'll never be a full-time OLB", "He'll never learn to stop the run", etc. etc.) that people would have a little faith in his ability. Oh well.
