Someone help me understand...

[tggeorge]

Two questions that I would love to hear feedback on is:
1.) Do we really believe Moore would come in and do better....I really can't make up my mind on that.
2.) What other NFL teams would Tanne be starting on today?
I know my perspective can be very skewed and biased, so I'm the first to admit that what I'm looking at is not always reality...whether I'm overreacting or overly forgiving.

 

[Sherif]

Tannehill has made some improvements. He hasn't fumbled this year. He's cut down on interceptions he is on track for only 10 int's this season. We're losing games but I don't think Tannehill is the any more responsible than coaching, ST and Defense. Our offense is scoring only 20 pts a game and that's not enough and statistically, T'hill has been god awful in his completion rate. There is no way he finishes the year with a completion rate in the high 50s. He didn't have really good pass protection the last two games, and the play calling was a major concern. I believe T'hill could be better than Wilson who is just a game manager that can make plays. Right now, the team is not clicking in any phase and it's not all on T'hill.

 

[DeathStar]

lol better than Russell Wilson???

Take those Aqua and orange glasses off.

Russell can throw and run very well.

Tannehill sucks.

 

[Hayden Fox]

I get that Tanne would've been more comfortable but I honestly don't think I could've handled Sherman calling plays for us for another year.

I was a Sherm guy until the home Buffalo game last year. I almost jumped out my top window. So I know where you are coming from. However, with that said, he might have called whatever he did knowing RT's limits.

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Two questions that I would love to hear feedback on is:
1.) Do we really believe Moore would come in and do better....I really can't make up my mind on that.
2.) What other NFL teams would Tanne be starting on today?
I know my perspective can be very skewed and biased, so I'm the first to admit that what I'm looking at is not always reality...whether I'm overreacting or overly forgiving.

RT would start again in the NFL for another team. No question. If Henne did, he would. His skill set would make a coach think he could be developed. Plus, Joe has no respect around the league so he would get a pass.

 

[andyahs]

What plays did you guys want Sherman to call? One of the plays that were not one of the 2 or 3 that Tannehill could actually run effectively?

Sherman had serious success in the NFL before. Tannehill has not. Sherman's offense is PROVEN to be effective. It takes players that are competent to execute or it does not matter what you call. Sherman did the best he could with a terrible QB.

Please don't try and convince us you think Sherman should still be calling plays for any QB in the NFL?

You can pile on Tannehill all you want but Sherman was downright terrible as an offensive coordinator.

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[EvilDylan]

Please don't try and convince us you think Sherman should still be calling plays for any QB in the NFL?

You can pile on Tannehill all you want but Sherman was downright terrible as an offensive coordinator.

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Sherman was great, hence why he has a job calling plays now......

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[Sirspud]

RT would start again in the NFL for another team. No question. If Henne did, he would. His skill set would make a coach think he could be developed. Plus, Joe has no respect around the league so he would get a pass.

Based on age, physical tools, and draft status, I'm sure Tannehill would be starting rather soon after he is gone. There are usually a couple teams that have no competent QB's (even though they may have a high draft pick QB) and a young competent QB is certainly going to find a place. But there's a difference between competent and good, and being the starting QB and being the guy. Right now Tannehill is the guy in Miami, they've invested everything in him trying to make him work. If/when Tannehill is cast out, I think he could end up in a situation similar to Henne in Jacksonville, where he can take over the job from someone else until he is ineffective, but the future won't be put in his hands.

 

[CANDolphan]

See there it is again. You throw that Bengals game in there. Tannehill was BAD in that game. Our defense completely DOMINATED that game and won it for us. They forced a ton of turnovers that set us up for our scoring and had the game winning safety in OT. A decent QB and we score a bunch on them and win going away. Didnt we pick Dalton off about 17 times in that game?

He was pretty good vs the Pats. He was decent vs. the Steelers. He was good in just the first half vs. the Colts and decent vs. the Falcons. He did have a game winning drive in that one. But, the sad thing is that both the Colts and Falcons defenses were terrible last year. Alex Smith went into Indy and TORCHED them. Atlanta got TORCHED by everyone last year. Yet, we still could not generate a big offensive game vs. them and had to pull it out late.

Our defense dominated all year. To hold teams to 22 or less in 13 of 16 games is remarkable. Any decent team wins at least 10 of those. Then we happened to win 1 of the other 3 games in which we actually gave up more than 22, which should happen here and there anyway.

Tannehill was dog**** last year. Several games against bad teams come to mind where we failed to score points and win. Considering the terrible spots Hennehill put our defense in all year, it is a miracle they surrendered so few points. They couldve been close to the top defense in the league if we couldve ever given them some double digit leads to work with instead of bad field position and pressure to stop the opponent on every drive.

Our defense dominated that game? Was that when their running back was crushing us for huge gains or when they were driving up and down the field until Andy Dalton threw TERRIBLE throws that were intercepted?

Youre conveniently forgetting our offense was doing very well that game, but we kept blowing it with stupid mistakes like Lamar Miller cutting back inside inexplicably and then fumbling. Go re-watch the game or be honest, because you're straight up wrong or you're lying to prove your point.

On a side note - You're a cliche at this point who just puffs his chest out and pretends its knowledge. Just stop, please. What's ironic is you claim people do exactly what you do - you sit there and give your opinion as if it is fact - and conveniently forget when you are hilariously wrong about these insanely strong convictions (that are also insulting at times because you can't be bothered to have an honest discussion) but then pound the table when you get a few correct. It's wearing thin and frankly damaging to this board's discussion because you keep coming in and cause division with hyperbole and arrogance.

And I say this as someone who doesn't think Tannehill has it either. I just want an open and honest dialogue. If I wanted people to talk down to each other with arrogance over differing opinions Id watch two paid actors like Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith

 

[royalshank]

Two questions that I would love to hear feedback on is:
1.) Do we really believe Moore would come in and do better....I really can't make up my mind on that.
2.) What other NFL teams would Tanne be starting on today?
I know my perspective can be very skewed and biased, so I'm the first to admit that what I'm looking at is not always reality...whether I'm overreacting or overly forgiving.

Our offense would put up more points w Moore. We will turn it over more but we will win more.

 

[Jehuty13]

Our defense dominated that game? Was that when their running back was crushing us for huge gains or when they were driving up and down the field until Andy Dalton threw TERRIBLE throws that were intercepted?

Youre conveniently forgetting our offense was doing very well that game, but we kept blowing it with stupid mistakes like Lamar Miller cutting back inside inexplicably and then fumbling. Go re-watch the game or be honest, because you're straight up wrong or you're lying to prove your point.

On a side note - You're a cliche at this point who just puffs his chest out and pretends its knowledge. Just stop, please. What's ironic is you claim people do exactly what you do - you sit there and give your opinion as if it is fact - and conveniently forget when you are hilariously wrong about these insanely strong convictions (that are also insulting at times because you can't be bothered to have an honest discussion) but then pound the table when you get a few correct. It's wearing thin and frankly damaging to this board's discussion because you keep coming in and cause division with hyperbole and arrogance.

And I say this as someone who doesn't think Tannehill has it either. I just want an open and honest dialogue. If I wanted people to talk down to each other with arrogance over differing opinions Id watch two paid actors like Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith

To back up your cliche point, Dolphins-Bengals 22-20, Tannehill 20/28, 71.4% completion, 92.6 QB rating. Here's the link to his entire last year stats. http://www.nfl.com/player/ryantannehill/2532956/gamelogs?season=2013

Statistically one of his best games despite not throwing a TD. Yardage wasn't that impressive either, but he made the throws regardless. Now that I look at his 2013 stats, "BAD" is probably not the best choice of word WV. I just don't see how he was so "TERRIBLE" without putting the blame on our very destructive O-line. I think the one thing that truly was "TERRIBLE" was our front line.

 

[PCmor]

I really believe he knew Sherman's offense in and out and was very good in it even though he had no weapons and no Oline.

Now you're taking a totally green QB who has played a total of five years at the position and telling him to learn a fast uptempo timing offense and he's only 3 pro games in.

I think that has a lot to do with it, too, which is one of the reasons I was against picking a guy for a certain system. If the system goes or one of its architects goes, there's a good chance you are left with nothing ... which means you wasted a high draft pick and three years.

 

['Deep]

Biggest game of Tannehills career this week, imo

 

[GreenMts]

What plays did you guys want Sherman to call? One of the plays that were not one of the 2 or 3 that Tannehill could actually run effectively?

Sherman had serious success in the NFL before. Tannehill has not. Sherman's offense is PROVEN to be effective. It takes players that are competent to execute or it does not matter what you call. Sherman did the best he could with a terrible QB.

The truth is we were the recipient of an old guy cashing in for a couple years at the end of career on the back of a QB he could fake it with ...

 

[GreenMts]

Whether you're a Tannehill apologist or not, I think we all wanted him to succeed. Through 14 games last year, I personally thought we were looking at our next long-term answer at QB. For being in his second year, last year, it looked like there was plenty of promise and a bright future for him.

What I need help with is to understand what we are now seeing from Tanne. He doesn't look like the same QB at all. Is it fear, lack or confidence, lack of intelligence, not understanding the system??? I really need someone to explain how he can take such a drastic downward turn in potential and promise so very quickly.

We finally have a running game, and some decent pass protection, but Tannehill looks unfathomably worse than last year, when he was running for his life, getting beat up, and we were terribly one dimensional. How does this happen?

He's the same QB. The line is just better so "bad OL" is not clouding your perception.